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[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago

"Communism is when the government does stuff."

[-] dan1101@lemmy.world 38 points 9 hours ago

Checks and balances in the US government. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Constitutional rights being unassailable.

All these are lies. I think it can be fixed, but it won't be easy.

[-] sunsofold@lemmy.zip 10 points 7 hours ago

That's less a lie and more 'teaching the ideal.' The problem isn't learning how the system is supposed to work. That's how you learn to be a mechanic. You learn how an engine is supposed to work so you can spot where it's gone wrong. The issue is more one of there are millions of people and they get 10 minutes on how it's supposed to work and then only 3 of them go into politics and learn how it actually works/doesn't work. Democracy requires more than a one week chapter on civics, once a year. We all have to be mechanics, or at least be prepared to try.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I think it can be fixed

I mean, good luck. The Principle-Agent Problem is a classic of sociology, particularly with respect to business. If you can solve it, there's a Nobel in Economics waiting for you.

Democracy is an attempt at aligning in the interests of the plurality principles with their government agencies. But there's obviously a whole lot of flaws with democracy generally speaking, even before you get into the particulars of the American system.

I do think that the Lockean Social Contract, as the foundation for any governmental system, is a more interesting and more well-thought-out concept to explore than the mythology surrounding the American three-branch system. Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent does an excellent job of breaking down how a public body can be turned against its own interests. Zinn's People's History gives a ton of insight into the underbelly of the American political beast and how people respond to industrial and state oppression. State and Revolution does an excellent job of describing the role of the state in society and how it can best be dismantled.

But the endless debate around whether US Government works as described or intended really loses the forest of social economy for the ideological tent post trees. Fetishization of the US system only contributes to its rot and our own downfall.

[-] boaratio@lemmy.world 24 points 9 hours ago

Pictures of the civil rights movement are in black in white even though color photography existed for decades. They're only in black and white to make kids think it was longer ago than it was.

[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 3 points 8 hours ago

I first realized that in high school. Where it was showing civil rights photos from the 60s-70s in black and white, and acted like racism was OVER.

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago
[-] AcesFullOfKings@feddit.uk 4 points 7 hours ago

the necessary lies of civilisation (timestamp link to 23:16 where discussion starts)

[-] CrumblyLiquid@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 hours ago

It would be interesting if this question prompted people to write the country as well as their answer.

[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 36 points 12 hours ago

They still teach the bullshit Thanksgiving story in most schools in the US.

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[-] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 41 points 13 hours ago

That homework isn’t discriminatory. Not all kids have lives that allow them to do it. If you can’t cover all the bases in whole ass 8 hours I’m there a day that’s on you, not me. This is only true k - 12, college level courses are voluntary so having some homework could be considered ok.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Or clubs for that matter, which are what primarily determines your college and scholarship opportunities in my state.

[-] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 hours ago

You do have a valid argument. There are lots of children that don't have an environment that allows them to do homework or study.

I don't think this means we should get rid of homework. Homework is essentially practicing what was learned in the classroom. Learning is a constant process, it doesn't automatically happen after being exposed to a topic during the course of an 8 hour day. Learning anything requires practice. (The neurons that fire together wire together.)

If little Billy did the homework and got a bunch of stuff wrong, that helps the teacher identify and diagnose the skill issue, (in theory.) If little Billy didn't do his homework at all, the teacher has no idea Billy could be struggling to learn the material until after he has been tested. It's a tool to help students practice, and a tool to help teachers assess and diagnose. It shouldn't be used as part of the rubric that determines what a child's grade for the material is at the end of the term.

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

My grandmother was a school teacher. She was very clear about homework: kids should not have any. Kids are kids, they simply are not designed to sit still and work on school work all day.

She expected there to be learning time, play time, sports or activity time, family time, and bed time. There is something useful to be learned in all phases of a persons day, its just different.

If a child was struggling, she would stay after school and work with them, or spend more time during the day with them. At worst they may have to finish up something assigned in class they didnt finish in time, but thats it.

But this assigning homework for homeworks sake, she really did not like that idea at all.

She knew if Little Billy didnt know what was going on, not due to homework, but due to classwork and interaction at school.

[-] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago

No, discrimination is discrimination, school is as many hours as a full time job, if an education system can’t teach kids what they need to know in that amount of time it’s failing. Discrimination is wrong.

[-] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 140 points 15 hours ago

The United States was founded on principles of liberty and equality for all.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 62 points 15 hours ago

While I was taught that in elementary school, I was also taught about the 3/5ths compromise as early as middle school. By the time high school rolled around I was being taught about reconstruction and the corrupt bargain of 1877. I guess I’m lucky I got a good education in the north because I am aware that’s not necessarily the standard nationally.

[-] tmyakal@infosec.pub 8 points 11 hours ago

My AP history teacher gave us copies of Zinn's A People's History of the United States as a supplemental to our textbooks. She was an awful teacher overall, but I appreciated her trying to make sure we had multiple perspectives.

Then I went to an elite east-coast private college, where I almost failed US History because I called the professor out for teaching Lost Cause bullshit.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

Any academic peddling lost cause bullshit is a complete joke. Just curious, were they from the south?

[-] tmyakal@infosec.pub 8 points 10 hours ago

Of course they were.

He also characterized the 2000 election as "a perfect tie" that could've just as easily been decided by a coinflip instead of the more historically agreed upon view of the Supreme Court ratfucking Florida's recount.

[-] homes@piefed.world 34 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Technically, it was founded on the principles of liberty and equality for all. Just not the practices of liberty and equality for all. it was an aspiration, a goal of our forefathers.

But the way they teach it in school is pretty deceptive— as if it was all accomplished magically on that day in 1776, when, even today, it’s a constant struggle— a goal that we’re much closer to, but still remains elusive. that’s the part they don’t teach.

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[-] myrmidex@belgae.social 103 points 15 hours ago

30 years ago, it was still taught that we Belgians went to the Congo out of benevolence, to help lift up the people there. Not one mention of rubber quota or chopped off hands. Fuck that indoctrination.

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[-] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 111 points 15 hours ago

I remember in school learning about the different areas of the tongue tasting different things, and then we had an experiment to try it, and everyone was like "wow it works!" but I told the teacher it didn't work for me, and I got told I was doing it wrong =w=

Anywho, the entire thing about different tastes being localized to different areas is bullshit, so that's 1 point to me and 0 to the teacher

[-] DrPop@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago

Yah you didn't succumb to confirmation bias. I knew as a kid this was wrong because they said viewer was treated in the back... yeah then explain when i got laundry detergent on my fingers forgot about it and when to clean my fingernails layer and the tip of my tongue is absolutely tasting bitterness.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

We “learned” that in 6th grade science.

I remember the same teacher had a test question which was something like “you and a friend are playing at a landfill, and your friend spills sulfuric acid all over themselves, what should you do?” and the ‘correct’ answer was “pour sodium hydroxide on the spill” instead of my answer of “pour water on the spill.”

I had another science teacher who made a huge deal about her chronic Lyme, which is this really weird alternative medicine thing.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 34 points 15 hours ago

My daughter and I did this for one of her science projects. I would drop lemon juice or sugar water somewhere on her tongue, and she was able to taste everything everywhere.

It was so long ago I don't remember, but I hope we got a good grade on that one!

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[-] one_old_coder@piefed.social 79 points 15 hours ago

France: the French revolution was poor people rioting. We are starting to accept that it was rich people killing each other to replace monarchy, and using poor people as a side-effect, kind of like... what we have right now, what a coincidence!

[-] oce@jlai.lu 40 points 15 hours ago

It was "self-made" rich people (bourgeoisie) vs "birthright" rich people (nobility). We still got some cool side-effects though. Some of those bourgeois legitimately kick started what we call left and progressive politics today (Maximilien Robespierre, Jean-Paul Marat).

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[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 63 points 15 hours ago

Working hard will get you rewarded. When really you get dunked on with more work.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Not really a lie but I'm surprised how little they covered major international events, especially wars like WWI/WWII/Korea/Vietnam, etc.

All of them were basically a 3 paragraph maximum excerpt before you went back to reading about some random local policy or societal change that didn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

Biggest lie though was teaching kids that secondary sources like news publishers were reliable sources of information lol. NYT and the Washington Post sucked a long time before the internet. WP especially was just straight Imperialist propaganda sometimes.

Just because they're not a primary source doesn't mean they can't be biased or reporting false information.

[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 4 points 8 hours ago

Not really a lie but I'm surprised how little they covered major international events, especially wars like WWI/WWII/Korea/Vietnam, etc.

Is this in the US?

Because the version I learned about in my indoctrination American education was a lot of this was covered, but on a extremely Pro-american slant. Like literally everyone was struggling until America stepped in and stopped the Nazis, communists, etc. Even the narrative around the Vietnam war was that it was Americans helping the poor struggling citizens of Vietnam.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 52 minutes ago

Yeah, I'm guessing the more liberalized history books chose to just omit it as opposed to justifying it.

[-] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 27 points 14 hours ago

That Europeans discovered the 'new world', and that it was inhabited by 'savages' aka people with forgettable cultures, skills, and lifestyles.

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[-] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 42 points 15 hours ago

Lies of omission count? I was in my 40s before I ever heard of the Tulsa Massacre.

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[-] velma@sh.itjust.works 42 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Listening to authority with no critical thinking will make your life easier.

[-] TheBeardmancer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 15 hours ago

What they teach: humans only have five senses (touch, smell, etc) What is true: humans have ~20-30 senses (including time, balance, and many more)

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[-] MrSelfDestruct@piefed.zip 26 points 14 hours ago

The people who fought at the Alamo were heroes.

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[-] velma@sh.itjust.works 38 points 15 hours ago

More specifically that all drugs are the same type and intensity of bad.

[-] homes@piefed.world 28 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I remember that when I was getting this “lesson“, my first question was “what about medication’s?“ And my teacher replied with “those aren’t drugs“

And I replied “then why do they call it the drugstore?” then my teacher sent me to the principal’s office for being “smart“. I didn’t understand what was wrong with being “smart“.

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[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 12 points 13 hours ago

That Custer was ambushed and nobody knows who killed him or why.

He broke ranks and took his troops into an ambush. His arrogant opinion of the fighting abilities of the Lakota and his lust for gold made his defeat elementary. But even though he was a deserter Sherman had to defeat the Indians and so he had to make it a tragic thing

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