Basically Apple will be building the perfect computers to run local LLMs.
One can only hope that it totally breaks the AI/LLM at industrial scale, so businesses can run their own AI systems with their own data sets.
No more of this fucking datacanter horseshit.
It's pretty obvious at this point that the data centers are for storing massive amounts of video.
Where else will flock put all their recordings of us
Local LLMs are cool but also pretty slow compared to cloud. If you have to wait half an hour for your Feature while coding you might still opt for the cloud agent.
Yes, they are slower. However, I think that the pricing we’re going to see from the cloud providers might be enough to deter quite a lot of people. At least I hope so:
The fact that we’re already used to blazing speed generation kinda sucks. Local models are a much more sustainable way of unlocking the benefits of LLMs than giant ecosystem- and community-destroying data centers.
I also hope that don’t get me wrong, but as I said: Waiting for the LLM agent to finish coding is currently a bottleneck in software development, they don’t pay high salaries for watching the AI code, they will prefer faster agents even if they are expensive, because they are not only paying the AI Company but also the software engineer overseeing them.
I think that is only going to last as long as the AI providers are willing to operate at a loss. The issue is even with the newer higher price points rolled out this year, they're still losing money. The slower AI machines may be the answer once the REAL profit earning price for the use tokens hits the market. I forsee lots of alternative work going on while the small LLM's are cooking the data. We will have to see once these machines start to roll out, what the use for LLMs will be and how it's applied. I am hopeful.
Have you tried running a local model on a M series Mac?
Yes ofc I ran Gemma 4 for example, but compare that to the speed of Gemini in the cloud the difference is massive.
How much RAM do you have and which version of the model did you run?
Local LLMs can be just as fast as long your device clears the requirements. If you noticed a huge difference, there’s a really good chance that you tried to use a model that requires more RAM than you have
I ran Gemma 4 31 B quantized so it fits in my RAM. The decoding speed was decent, but if you look at the newest models for example Gemini flash 3.5 they have a decoding speed of 280 token per second, they generate an entire page before my Mac locally generates a sentence.
That is a bit too much for your hardware, even the Q4_0. You needed a smaller version (26B likely would suit you better. It would be faster and is a MoE)
Actually they can be much faster given sufficient VRAM and not a lot of concurrent users.
Yeah. But they're slow because most of us are GPU peasants. If someone were willing to drop $3-5K on a rig, they could probably run decent, dense models at greater than cloud speeds. Hell, with enough black magic, they could do it with less, but they'd have to go deep into the weeds.
OTOH, $3-5K buys you a shit ton on Open Router, Claude, Chat, Lumo etc.
The game is entirely rigged for "you will own nothing and be happy about it".
If I buy a rig I might as well host it on the internet to get back some of the investment and sell the compute to others … wait a minute that’s cloud!
It’s always cheaper to have the same hardware serve multiple people than just one.
Yes. People occasionally talk about pooling resources / creating a co-op to buy something like this. Easier to split $200K purchase (and probably $10k/month electricity costs) if 200-2000 people chip in. But then...that's just the cloud with extra steps.
Can't says I've ever seen a co-op like that work but ICBW
I guess it depends on your definition of perfect - cheap, good or fast.
This thing is probably going to cost at least $20K USD.
Edit:
"Next year's base M7 processor is expected to arrive in the first half of 2027 and will also upgrade memory bandwidth to about 240 GB/s."
That's...really fucking slow. What's the goal here - CGI, engineering sims, game dev etc? 1.5TB is cool but at 240GB/s that will crawl for AI use.
Comparison: this is about $100K, for 7.2TB/s, 252GB VRAM (+500GB system ram, so closer to 750GB total)
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/products/workstations/dgx-station/
Something got reported on incorrectly because the M5 Max's have 614 GB/s today, and the Ultra M4 machine's (not laptops) are 819 and that's 3 generations behind a M7 if they make an M7 ultra machine.
$ for $ you'll get more video ram than paying for a 5090, but it won't be as fast and can't train well.
Before the ram price decable, you could get a 192gb M4 Ultra for ~10k CAD.
It’s likely wrong reporting, the m5 ultra gets 614 GB/s today. The m3 pro gets over 800. The rumored m5 pro is 1.2TB/s. Likely this will be 2.4 TB/s, but half the reason for high bandwidth in nvidia chips is somewhat offset in the unified scheme. Mlx needs a lot less copy data around when the gpu can just read it directly.
Only if they can figure out how to emulate CUDA. Or maybe more containers will start providing alternatives if the machines are popular enough?
There’s still a lot of image and OCR workflows I have to chug through the CPU and it takes forever.
A Mac with 1.5TB RAM would be expensive at the best of times. In 2027/2028 it might approach $50k, or even get into 6 figures.
It shouldn't be, if Apple gets that import exemption from the Chinese memory manufacturer (ChangXin Memory Technologies) they are asking for. Apparently they're already testing the CXMT chips to put in the phones sold in China, freeing up the orders/stock they've sourced already from "safe" sources, to go into their products sold in the rest of the world.
Smart move if they can finagle it.
Hopefully they can get it through before the fuckwits in the administration understand how effectively it can threaten the big AI players that Trump seems to be sniffing around.
You absolutely BET that he will scuttle any trade deal if it interferes with his own personal agenda WRT his investments in AI.
He's that much a greedy cunt.
Or the more likely option that they get the cheaper ram from China and then double dip and use the ram scarcity excuse for higher prices
Big household name gaming companies have devs who burn 20k in tokens A MONTH.
A 50k machine that can run a model locally with 0 monthly costs will pay for itself in 3 months.
With the Apple tax, I'd expect 1.5TB to run you closer to $200k. Enterprise prices are that high today, so if trends continue it's going to be bad
1.5 TB of unified memory sounds less like a computer and more like Apple preparing for the moment your local AI starts asking for a raise. Plot twist: by 2028 the RAM upgrade still costs more than the rest of the machine combined.
Remember this is “unified”, it’s not like you can upgrade, nor is it available in the “cheap” packaging we’re used to.
You’ll get whatever Apple puts on the SoC, and you’ll be happy with it
The upside is that unified memory is genuinely different from traditional RAM. The CPU, GPU and Neural Engine all share the same memory pool, so data doesn’t need to be copied back and forth. That reduces latency, improves efficiency and lets AI models, graphics and other workloads access much larger datasets. It also uses less power and saves board space. The downside is obvious: because it’s integrated into the chip, you have to choose the right amount upfront, since it can’t be upgraded later.
Ya, these high memory amounts and ever increasing memory bandwidth are heavily (but not only) targeting people wanting to run local large AI models like a full deepseek on their machines.
You might not be able to train as well on them as NVIDIA + CUDA, but for local inference, they're an alternative to NVIDIA and more reasonably priced for the model sizes you can run, and each iteration they get better as the bandwidth increases.
Apples memory has never been cheap, it's always been a very expensive upgrade.
I slowly turn to dust as I recall cracking open 2013 MacBook Pros and just putting more memory in.
The memories of loading up the G3 with SDRAM so I can fiddle with Photoshop 5, lost like tears in the rain.
How dare you steal hundreds of dollars by installing contraband ram!
Plot twist: by 2028 the RAM upgrade still costs more than the rest of the machine combined.
Won't at least China have production capacities ready by then that make the price drop?
Nope, it‘ll take several years to catch up.
https://feddit.org/post/32576427
Their DDR5 chips are 30% more expensive, but they are willing to sell 10% below market rates.
The article says that they won't catch up in 2027 but I expect China to pour in resources to catch that opportunity.
Doesn't big companies try open models. Microsoft was testing deepseek.
Everyone is. Open weight and source is the way to go in my opinion.
But I bet next they will close it after gaining bigger foothold. I wonder how would you prevent this.
I don’t think open-weight models can be prevented, as ‘everyone’ knows how distillation works these days and, clearly, no one can do anything to stop it.
No turn deepseek and others to proprietary models
Whatever was open will remain open, even if newer change the license.
Yes, but expertise is not there and when they will lead in ai they will turn it into proprietary software. Afterwards no-one will know how to develop it further.
At least I think so.
Can I load all of GTA 6 into RAM?
Making a RAM drive to load a few minutes of rolling video game footage so it isn’t constantly writing to my SSD or HDD was one of the most “the future is now” things I’ve done lately… and it’s not a new concept, I just never considered it before.
Remortgage your house now.
Yeah, but can it run Crysis?
There's going to be a massive boom in local llms if we get there. Already I have replaced ~80% of my paid token usage with a small local model running on my 64gb macbook pro, but being able to run a full-fidelity multi-hundred-billion parameter llm locally would be a game changer for my use case at least.
For $100k probably
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