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[-] diphthong@lemmy.world 266 points 1 month ago
[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 146 points 1 month ago

What Texas media and social pressure told them to. That's why we shouldn't let billionaires and liars run the media

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 80 points 1 month ago

That’s letting them off the hook.

[-] Godort@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 month ago

Im not sure if you're calling for harsher punishments to the billionaires that own mainstream media or if you're arguing that there should be further consequences for people that fell for a sophisticated misinformation campaign who are already suffering disproportionately under this administration.

[-] nullspace@lemmy.world 79 points 1 month ago

I think it's disingenuous to ignore the heavy conservative leanings of a significant portion of Hispanic households as well as any who immigrated "the right way" and are pissed off by undocumented workers.

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 month ago

I’m not arguing for either, although taxing/eating the rich should always be on the table.

I’m saying that while in the macro sense disinformation has had a devastating effect on society, I’m not ready to let those “fooled” by it off the hook. It’s the 2020s, if you’re fooled by disinformation to this degree, you’ve let yourself be fooled.

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

It's nice to have the privilege of time to research or a good education to base things off of, isn't it? I have them, too. Poverty and oppression doesnt give over a quarter of Americans (which is also disproportionately represented in the south) that leeway.

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 month ago

At some point you have to allow them their agency. They are adults, and only one of us is treating them as such.

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 19 points 1 month ago

If people didn't have time to get better information, Netflix, YouTube, Facebook et al would be worthless. They are not.

People made choices. Those choices are biting then in the ass. Education is not free. However, lack of knowledge can be fixed with some small amount of effort.

It can be hard to get absolute truths in an age of misinformation, but there was plenty of information that was common knowledge about truno and his racism. He'd also already had a pretty awful first term, which ended in an insurrection.

If they were fooled, it was wilful ignorance. That doesn't mean we shouldn't also hold the misinformation machine responsible, nor welcome them back into the fold of normalcy. If we, or they, don't recognise that they bear responsibility also, it's going to keep happening.

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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Hispanics all over lean conservative. It comes with high religiosity rates. Look at any conservative members of a minority group and they'll probably be religious.

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[-] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 49 points 1 month ago

They expected deportations of only the "bad mexicans", not understanding thst every mexican is bad to this admin.

[-] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

solidarity is a lost virtue in some communities.

[-] sundray@lemmus.org 37 points 1 month ago

The destruction of the left:

“We’re pissed off at the current administration. Everybody’s pissed off down here in south Texas,” the construction executive said, noting that most Hispanics in the area are Catholic. “Remember, we’re conservative, we’re not far left. We’re in the middle, conservative Latinos in south Texas. It doesn’t make sense.”

[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 30 points 1 month ago

Bear in mind they are talking about what was probably the most conservative Democrat to hold office since the 50s.

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[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 26 points 1 month ago

They expected a scenario that would work out well for themselves. They didn't put any effort into thinking about whether or not any given scenario would work out well for themselves, but the Republican media assured them it would work out, so why would they doubt that?

[-] Phantaloons@piefed.zip 22 points 1 month ago

I dunno, 200 years of American racism and past Republican sentiments towards Mexicans and Hispanics might have been a tip in the right direction.

God forbid anyone educate themselves before sticking a knife in a lightsocket.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

The Democrats to do the same. This was the year Democrats came up with yet another brilliant strategy to win over "moderate" Republicans by pivoting hard right on immigration, abandoning any talk of "building the wall is racist" in favor of "Trump doesn't actually want to build the wall, we're the ones who will actually do it." Naturally, it didn't do shit to win over anti-immigrant people who still saw them as weak on immigration compared to the Republicans, but it was quite effective at alienating immigrants and pro-immigration people.

Turns out, there's a decent number of Hispanics with conservative inclinations who are willing to overlook them and vote Democrat, so long as they believe the Republicans are racist against them. Since the Democrats decided that criticizing anti-immigrant policies as racist was too alienating to racists, those conservative Hispanics lost the one reason they were willing to vote Democrat and voted based on culture war bullshit instead.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Thinking isn't how Trump supporters become Trump supporters. Fear is.

Their propaganda networks told them to be more concerned about trans people and Haitian immigrants than real important topics.

They didn't consider he'd actually do what he said he would do on immigration because they were too busy cowering in fear over bullshit culture war garbage and hyper focusing on that.

Plus, he'd only go after the bad ones, right?

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Probably not concentration camps

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[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 103 points 1 month ago

I mean, he told you what he was tryinna do

[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 52 points 1 month ago

he even did it before!

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[-] btsax@reddthat.com 79 points 1 month ago
[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 78 points 1 month ago

I remember a video about an immigration lawyer, who also immigrated from Mexico, who said Trump was only going to go after the criminals. Therefore business would be great for her. I really want to see a follow-up.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago

strange, they can't seem to find that person anymore to conduct a follow-up with.

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[-] Zephorah@discuss.online 66 points 1 month ago

I think they missed the part where Trump isn’t about stopping illegal immigration, just immigration. Past and present. For brown people.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 month ago

“It just seems now more than ever, if you’re brown, they’re gonna stop you,” said Mario Guerrero, a three-time Trump voter who leads the South Texas Builders Association. “And I know that sounds really racist, but it’s what we’re facing, man.”

The Supreme Court essentially signed off on a Trump immigration enforcement policy to assume speaking Spanish and looking brown is sufficient evidence to suspect someone is an illegal immigrant. It is about as openly racist as you can get.

I guess Mr. Guerrero doesn't like the bigotry now that he's on the receiving end of it?

[-] MrSelfDestruct@lemmy.zip 52 points 1 month ago

They are idiots. My family is full of Latinos who pull the ladder from behind. They also think they could be on the same level as white people. Nope.

[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 48 points 1 month ago

History is filled with people who were promised that we would pretend they were white if they just sold out everyone they cared about. Hasn't actually paid off yet.

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[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 44 points 1 month ago

So they're fucking stupid then? He's been anti-immigrant since long before he was elected. What did they think was going to happen?

[-] BeardededSquidward 27 points 1 month ago

Deport the "bad ones." Not realizing that bad is having a skin colour away from mayo.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Climbed the stairs.

Voted to have the stairs pulled up behind them.

Turned out they also voted to get kicked down from the platform themselves.

Frankly, such immigrant rightwingers are the only bunch that actually deserve the tender mercies of the likes of ICE.

(And for any knee-jerking "identity warriors" out there, never forget that immigrants are like everybody else and thus amongst them, plenty of people when they think they themselves are safe from it ("I'm alright Jack") are just as nasty hearthless and selfish "conservative" and even fascist as the Republicans)

[-] myrrh@ttrpg.network 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

...in my experience, first-generation-citizen demographics tend to skew hardest against undocumented immigrants; not sure whether that's because they put in the time, effort, + cost to secure their own citizenship and thus resent those who haven't done so in kind, or because they emmigrated to expressly to get away from their native demographic who comprise undocumented immigrants...

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[-] sundray@lemmus.org 31 points 1 month ago

There's a big "why did you vote for Trump in the first place?" shaped hole in the middle of this story. Did the reporter not ask? Did they not think it was important?

[-] baronvonj@piefed.social 16 points 1 month ago

Legally documented immigrants are often considerably more strict and harsh in their views on undocumented immigrants. A very "I did it right and so should you have too" mentality. This is particularly strong among refugee immigrants (Cuban and Venezuela, for example). The problem here is the perception that undocumented immigrants are all members of roving street gangs selling drugs and murdering an raping. Farm hands and construction workers can get documentation that passes the checks required of employers. So they weren't expecting their own employees to be swept up in it.

They're not stupid, just heavily propagandized to where they need to experience personal consequence to reconsider. It a perfect chance to have the conversation with them to win them over.

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[-] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Just a reminder. Male Latinos are literally the reason Trump is in office right now. Kamala had the black and white support to win, but make Latinos swung like 40 pts hard right.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Indeed and racism played a heavy role while voting.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

to be fair how would they know? he only insulted Latinos every time he talked about them, called them rapists and murderers, and promised he would deport all of them... like are they supposed to be mind readers???

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[-] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

Wow, what a bunch of fucking idiots.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 month ago
[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago
[-] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 month ago

I am baffled someone actually didn't understand when a far-right white male politician says "illegals" they've always meant "people of color"

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[-] deft@lemmy.wtf 18 points 1 month ago

It's Christianity. A ton of immigrant Hispanics are extremely Christian and Republicans are historically the Christian party

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[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Biggest problem is thinking of Hispanics as a monolith

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[-] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Well well well if it isn't the consequences of their own actions.

[-] LLMhater1312@piefed.social 11 points 1 month ago

All the people that can be convinced they are temporary embarrassed millionaires have been suckered by Republicans, Trump most of all. Unfortunately that includes people from all identity groups, although he really convinced poor and middle class whites the most.

[-] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And they're all voting Republican again, because the Right To Work will make them rich.

eating of faces by leopards intensifies

[-] Linktank@lemmy.today 10 points 1 month ago
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