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The Germans really love genocide.
What does genocide have to do with this bill?
The modern state of Israel is a settler-colonial state, inherently built on genocide. Saying that it should be dismantled and replaced with something better shouldn’t be a crime, and making it one is ignoring nearly a century of context. Nearly a century of context inextricably linked to Germany, no less.
Saying that it should be dismantled and replaced with something better shouldn’t be a crime
Challenging a state's right to exist should be covered by freedom of expression. It's not the same as saying the people shouldn't exist, which I could see a human rights argument against, but the state is an organisation and as such should always be open to challenge, regardless of context. They're spitting on basic human rights.
Most of us aren't responsible for most of that century of context, but we are responsible for what happens today. To ignore it is to ignore genocide. To ban criticism is to protect it. Merz and his accomplices should be charged with aiding genocide and this law should be entered as evidence.
Our government sure does. Their enablers probably don't actively love it, they just can't be arsed to actually think about the implications of just voting CxU. The reasons range from "I've always voted for them" (that just makes it worse) and "they're Christians" (the fuck they are) over various forms of "I like the status quo" (which they're making worse for everyone not already rich) to "the evil bad green / left parties are gonna take away my house, my car, make me eat tofu and whatever other propaganda bullshit my favourite sensationalist rag has told me that I believe uncritically".
They don't love genocide, they just love not having to care about politics and the cunts they elect abuse that merrily. Of course, there are also genuine genocide fans, but for the most part, it's more a habitual complacency with a chunk of domestic fearmongering.
As a democratic body, we've been slacking off for decades. Now the bill is coming due and the youth get to foot it. We get thrown in with the misguided, the lazy and the assholes. And the worst part is how many of us fall into the "domestic misery -> xenophobia" trap and prove you right.
I can't even argue with your conclusion. The difference between actively supporting and passively permitting is academic when the results are these pieces of shit in our government.
This whole shit about "Right to exist" is extremely absurd.
Never before, anywhere else on the planet, no other country was ever questioned to have the right to exist.
Fuck these genocidal colonialists, trying to smooth ambiguous sentences with acceptance for their genocide.
exactly. does Genovia have a right to exist? that's the fictional European kingdom from The Princess Diaries. it's doesn't exist. but does it have a right to?
Genovia is a critical friend and ally to the United States. I stand with Genovia, both because of our shared values, which are so fundamental to the founding of both our nations, and I believe the bonds between the people of the United States and the people of Genovia are unbreakable, and we can never let anyone drive a wedge between us.
Never before, anywhere else on the planet, no other country was ever questioned to have the right to exist.
Even right now Russia questions Ukraine's right to exist, US questions Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba and Greenland's right to exist. Britain has in living memory questioned Ireland's right to exist.
Israel absolutely has a right to exist and it's fine that's put to law.
Palestine ALSO has a right to exist and it should also be put to law.
Can we first know what "right to exist" means for the context of a nation state? Surely, Nazi Germany didn't have a "right to exist". So, surely it's not a universal right like a person's right to exist? This means there are things a state can do that revoke it's "right to exist"? So, what does it actually mean?
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All states (even Nazi Germany) have a "right to exist" and it cannot be revoked.
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No states have a "right to exist".
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All states have a right to exist until some defined violation that revokes that right.
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It's a meaningless phrase that is only used in the context of defending a genocidal apartheid state.
I'm leaning towards thinking they are using the last definition.
Israel has no right to exist. Germany also has no right to exist. No state has an inherent right to exist.
Any right is ultimately a product of consensus. Challenging a right is an expression of dissent, which is itself a human right.
It makes sense for a tolerant society seeking to protect itself to enshrine the rights of humans to exist, so as to avoid the paradox of tolerance. This is the compromise of free speech that must be made to defend it: to treat this consensus as a contract, whereby anyone who rejects it also loses the rights it confers. Likewise, anyone who denies other humans the right to exist must forfeit their own.
What's more, states are not people, but organisations. Their right to exist is the product of a consensus that this organisation has a sovereign monopoly on the use of force within its territory. But that right is strictly subordinate to the human right to exist and express opinions. It must be open to dissent.
And a state that denies people their right to live (Israel) or to express their dissent (Germany) is in breach of that contract.
Fuck our government. Fuck Merz, fuck the representatives and fuck the voters that enabled this travesty against human rights in general and our constitution in particular.
I do not recognize terrorist states. Free Palestine. And fuck you Germany. You never changed.
So you also don’t recognize Palestine because of the atrocities of October 7th? I think there should be protection for both states and for all human beings living there.
It’s so interesting that Palestine as a whole is responsible for a terrorist attack, but the Israeli government spending decades stealing Palestinian land and currently enacting a genocide is blameless. I’m sure that has nothing to do with racism.
It's both. Hamas enjoys broad support by Palestinians. We have to recognize the reality. Before you jump on me with your narrative about the noble liberator hold that thought for a second. Right now they both are guilty of comitting attrocities. The difference is the US gives endless money to Irael so they have the upper hand. But dont be naive in thinking the Palestinians are eager for a two state solution. There wont be peace in this region for a very long time until either side is willing to come to the table in good faith.
But dont be naive in thinking the Palestinians are eager for a two state solution
Why should they be or even need to be eager to legitimize the settler colonial state that has been killing their families and stealing their homes for nearly a century? A two state solution isn’t the only peaceful solution. One state where Palestinians actually have rights and control over their own governance doesn’t break the laws of physics, people have just decided (based on religious beliefs) that European Jewish people have more right to control the land there than people whose ancestors have lived there for thousands of years.
But people love their Abrahamic religious ethnostates and are propagandized as hell, so I don’t expect people to accept any of that any time soon.
I agree with you. I just think there's too much friction on both sides because let's be real... these grudges are not going away. The Israeli think of Palestinians as inhuman suicide bombers and the Palestinians are rightfully bitter about being displaced...
This conflict will not have a positive resolution I'm afraid.
Get lost
You mean Israel gunning down their own people because of the Sampson Doctrine or whatever the fuck it's called? People who are being violently oppressed are going to violently resist oppression. That's how this shit works.
I think there should be protection for both states and for all human beings living there.
Cool. How do you proposing twisting the arm of the fucking apartheid regime that is currently engaging in genocide to get it to comply with that aspiration? Really open to suggestions.
And what about Palestine's right to exist? Lebanon? Syria?
What about Palestine's right to exist? They going to pass a similar law about that?....no?... Didn't think so.
Directed at the German parliament
That's some Zionist bullshit. I guarantee that any criticism of Israel would end up being lumped in.
Already is in Germany. It's even illegal to protest in Germany in a different language, and that rule was specifically made to target the anti-genocide protests using Palestinian freedom slogans that have been around for decades
Anarchism made a thought crime in Germany.
Not the first time...
Lmao there is a huge difference between "existing" and "actively deliberately genociding a people and culture they believe are inferior"
Then Palestine has a right to exist too.
Some countries hove more rights than some people.
And may the Israeli themselves receive the same right to exist as they give the Palestinians.
I don't know what "Israel's right to exist" means. Like, I believe that Israel should exist as a secular, democratic country with fully equal rights for all people regardless of their ethnicity or religion, with the right of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to return, with reparations for the victims of genocide and apartheid, with full accountability for the perpetrators of crimes against humanity, and with a national project overseen by the international community that will effect the deep institutional and educational deradicalization of the population, including a complete political and institutional repudiation of all kind of jewish-supremacist forms of zionism, as well as a German-style Erinnerungskultur, and by having as its Staatsräson a commitment to the defence and security of Palestine. Is it jail for me in the Bundesrepublik or not?
Yes, jail for you. German law is about Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state (and everything that comes with that which they don't speak about and ignore).
Fuck ze germans and fuck Israel
Good.
Now lets see one that also criminalises denial of the right for Palestine to exist.
"Committing genocide is in our blood and we will do anything to protect it, even if the ones we committed genocide on are now the ones committing genocide. It's our way of life. We taught them well."
- Germany
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