The bad thing about palm oil isn't how unhealthy it is (because what it is replacing isn't healthy either); the bad thing is that palm farmers have destroyed many thousands of square miles of rain forest. When you fly from Singapore to Jakarta, virtually all rain forest you used to fly over is now palm. It's an unmitigated environmental disaster.

Who eats pie thinking it's healthy?

This should be illegal.

Worried about health. Planned to eat nothing but pie for 2 days.

Wat?

Palm oil is also bad for farmers, the environment, and the economy

Also this company is owned by the dickhead maga mayor in my state that we struggle against constantly. So, fascist pies.

Sorry, genuinely. This is a shitty thing to learn post purchase

For all those decrying the ethics of palm oil - you are aware of the yields per hectare of the various plant oils, right?

• Soybean: 0.47 ton oil/ha/year
• Sunflower: 0.78 ton oil/ha/year
• Rapeseed: 0.74 ton oil/ha/year
• Palm Oil: 3.36 tons oil/ha/year

Would anybody like to suggest how to switch away from palm oils without deforesting what remains of the Amazon?

That "handmade touch" claim sounds like BS too. wtf does "hand-crisped crust" mean? and something tells me "filled by hand" just means that a human hand pushed a button. "This pie is meticulously crafted" LOLZ thanks, Michaelangelo.

I'm pretty skeptical that palm oil is more unhealthy than butter. The farming practices surrounding it's production are not wholesome sure. But it tastes good and cost less than butter.

Good find, it’s shady as fuck they healthy-wash the processed food. But your post is also interesting for a second reason- you care about eating healthy and do some specific diet, and yet you plan to live on frozen apple pie, whose nutritional value, traditional or not, is practically just sugar with fat? Unexpected choice for a conscious diet.

The misleading advertising aside (seems bad, but it's not what I want to focus on), you claim that palm oil is bad for a person's health.

This article claims with evidence that it is likely no worse than other saturated fats and may in fact be better for overall health than other sources of saturated fat: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4365303/

I am truly interested to know if palm oil is much worse than other saturated fats, so if you have additional source worth reviewing it would be appreciated.

The authors do not note any conflicts of interest either, hopefully they were honest.

Other facts about palm oil which are commonly raised are the sustainability. I did not look into this aspect and further research may be needed.

However saturated fatty acids are bad for your health.

Saturated Fats have been much maligned by Ancel Key's lipid heart hypothesis, but it doesn't stand up to modern scrutiny - https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jacc.2020.05.077

Saturated fats are not bad for your health.

I was with you at the beginning, but—

This pie alone contains 400% daily value saturated fat, which is terrible for long-term health.

A single serving only contains 40%. Not great, but not as terrible as you're making it out to be. (And unlike a lot of packaged food, the size of a serving here is pretty reasonable.) Very few foods are good for long-term health when eaten alone, and singling out this particular one because it doesn't fit with your specific use case weakens your argument.

They are lying about the ingredients. That's true, and it should be noted because false advertising is terrible for consumers. Not because it's bad for a one-meal-a-day fad diet, but because it's bad in general for anyone who buys a product based on what is on the label.

Also, palm oil means child labor

German here and I can say I'm turning around half the cartons in the supermarket and check for palm oil. I'll try to buy alternatives. Though it's really hard. It's either price increase, shrinkflation or cheaper ingredients. Oftentimes a combination of those.

In case of the Apple Pie: Channel the German grandma inside of you and bake it yourself. It's not too hard. Takes an hour or so, though.

Pretty much every prepared food item is trash at this point. What kills me is the marketing. They just print “made with fresh, wholesome ingredients :)” on a package of health themed frozen waffles that cost $3 more per box and apparently that’s all it takes for people to believe they’re making a real attempt at healthy eating

-wholesome ingredients like butter

-butter are listed after palm oil

Your rage is justified, but i feels like, with sugar content that high, you should probably avoid eating it that often anyway, so whether they use palm oil, vegie oil, or butter, shouldn't be too big of a problem other than the misleading marketing.

I myself am hobbyist baker, whenever i see people diss vegie oil/margarine because they use the wholesome butter, and they themselves also use vegie oil/palm oil/margarine, it kinda mildly infuriating to me. To me, whether you use palm oil or butter it can affect the texture you're chasing, so it really shouldn't be butter or nothing.

What are you talking about? This is just like grandma used to make it! With a heaping glob of palm oil scooped out by her palm, measured by eye yet always coming out the same constant taste.

Too bad after the 18th heart attack, poor Mee Maw is in heaven now but she sure did love her palm oil.

Also, harvesting palm oil is highly destructive to habitats for large cats and orangutans.