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[-] Airfried@piefed.social 182 points 6 days ago

It felt surreal arguing with boomers about record breaking temperatures the other day. Like, a new record was just broken for the highest temperatures in many European countries while we're sitting there, sweating our balls off in the middle of a 2 week long heat wave. "Nah" they kept saying "We've had hot days before." When I showed them statistics they refused to look at them. Instead they changed the topic instantly and ignored me for a good 15 minutes. Those weren't some strangers I just met, mind you. I've known these guys for my entire life.

Too many people but especially older people (at least from my experience) are completely delusional about climate. They aren't interested in facts, not interested in other people telling them they're wrong and they even ignore what they're experiencing themselves right now in favor of a severely distorted, rather vague idea of what a summer used to be 50 years ago.

[-] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 103 points 6 days ago

They are in complete denial. Imagine approaching death right as it's impossible to deny your generation personally fucked up the future of civilization itself.

In my experience you now get one of: 1. The weather has always been like this, 2. I did everything I could, I recycled and brought my own cup to the coffee shop, 3. Oh well, I'll be dead soon so it's not my problem.

[-] tootoughtoremember@lemmy.world 48 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
  1. I did everything I could, I recycled and brought my own cup to the coffee shop

Everything I could, except vote for representatives who prioritize climate over line-go-up

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

except vote for representatives who prioritize climate

The majority of Americans voted for Al Gore, but they weren't on the SCOTUS so the votes didn't matter.

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 9 points 6 days ago

Did those exist? I don't quite remember anyone in my country who had climate in their agenda (not even now, afaik)

[-] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 days ago

Don't know where you're from but i bet there is a green party in your country that got like 1% of the votes in the last election.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Imagine approaching death right as it’s impossible to deny your generation personally fucked up the future of civilization itself.

Point to a decade where someone wasn't thinking this as they expired.

You don't have to confine yourself to the 21st century. Or even the 20th. Or even the last 500 years. Literally pick any decade.

[-] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

Except that I'm talking about feeling personally that you were part of the problem.

Joe Blow was not feeling personally guilty about nuclear weapons. Or felt like they personally caused the war. Or that the economic crash was their fault.

Do you know how many people, particularly boomers, spent literally decades denying climate change, while obviously not participating in efforts against it?

If I'm an old white boomer who spent the last 15 years making my whole identity a Ford F-350 and Fuck Biden / Fuck Trudeau bumper stickers, I heart oil, i heart beef, i heart anything that a liberal hates.....I might be feeling a bit uneasy about some of my stances while I'm watching the world burn. Then again, let's face it.... the ones who did the most damage are the least likely to even be capable of understanding how dire things are, even when they're staring it in the face.....

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 44 points 6 days ago

I live in an area where ice used to be an industry. Not even a minute drive from my house is a lake where they'd cut big blocks of ice and ship them downstream to stack and pack in sawdust and such to last the rest of the year. This area supplied a lot of the ice for the city of Philadelphia because closer to the city the Schuylkill and Delaware rivers were too dirty and no one wanted ice from them.

This went on until around 100 years ago, maybe even a bit longer, my dad in his 70s remembers his grandmother still getting ice delivered for her icebox for part of his childhood until she finally got a refrigerator.

My friends dad, who was a bit younger than my dad, used to tell stories about how the local creek would freeze over in the winter and he and his friends would ice skate down the frozen creek to get to another town about 5 miles away.

I actively keep an eye on ice conditions around me because I would like to try ice fishing some day. It's only been a handful of times over the last decade or so where any body of water around here has frozen over enough for it to be possible, and even then it's only been just the absolute bare minimum 4 inches and I'd ideally want another inch or two before I felt comfortable enough to actually try it.

I've never even seen that creek freeze over enough that even some foolhardy kids would be able to try skating on it, I've seen it get maybe 1 inch of ice, and even that was a rare occurrence, they'd break right through if they tried.

These are things that people around me should remember or at least should remember their parents and grandparents talking about, not something that's totally out of living memory, and yet they still refuse to see it.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

My parents bought a retirement property byba lake in the middle of nowhere and pit a boat on a lift on the dock. But the lake is a water supply lake, and their dock is only about 4-5 feet deep when the lake is full, which is only for about a week after a major flood these days.

Most of the time when I visit I end up driving under the boat with the lawnmower. It's just a really expensive porch swing at this point. We can't even take it to a different lake because it's stuck on the slings

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I had an extremely weird conversation a while ago. A coworker had never heard of global warming before. They listened intently as I explained, expression making it apparent that they were honest about their obliviousness.

[-] Gloomy@mander.xyz 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

How? It's been part of the news circle for two decades minimum.

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

Truthfully, she said that she had heard about it in passing but had never cared to learn anything about it. She knew the name and not a thing more. This conversation was spawned when I pointed out that I could no longer relate to the weather that kids today experience because of global warming, and gears started turning and she asked many questions. As far as how? Education in the US is not equally distributed.

[-] datavoid@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago

My grandma died back in 2019, but before her death she was hard into every type of climate change denial. She was also a lifelong evangelical christian, and used to make it super awkward when I would hang out with a friend who was black. In the years before her death she would send me links to things proving that that historical climate statistics are lying, and climate change is just a hoax people are using to make money. She was also huge into bible codes, and huge into Israel.

Not really sure where I was going with that.. but I have a suspicion organized religion is to blame.

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[-] gilokee@lemmy.world 89 points 6 days ago

Credit the fucking artist. This is Shenanigansen.

[-] MissingInteger@lemmy.zip 10 points 6 days ago

Here is the original comic by Shen.

[-] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago

Actually, winter is a little different. We call it climate change because as the averages get higher, the extremes get more extreme, and that's true of cold temperatures as well.

Actually, I just saw recently in the US we've got snowstorms and glacial flooding. In the summer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UDOFgukWFs

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[-] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 43 points 6 days ago

It's usually like this were i live, but the fall sometimes has some cute floods that kill a couple of people and destroy buildings

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The really cool thing about climate change is that even as the average temperature of the planet increases, winters get more and more severe. Think about how damn hot the rest of the world has to be if one continent is experiencing record lows while the overall temperature of the planet is hotter than average

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago

What's rarely communicated clearly enough is that "warming" means "more energy". If it had been called something like "atmospheric energy buildup" from the start, maybe there'd be fewer people saying dumbshit like "so much for global warming" every snowstorm.

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[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago
[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago

In Canada, when can we get that winter?

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[-] lemmyng@piefed.ca 28 points 6 days ago

You'll still get the winter from the top panel, spring oscillates between summer and winter weather on a weekly basis, and fall is just floods.

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[-] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 25 points 6 days ago

I remember when 30° was considered acute.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 days ago

IMO it's much more subtle. There are still really cold days in winter. There are still mild days in summer. You can even have a whole summer that's cool or a whole winter that's incredibly cold. I've heard that one of the effects of climate change is that the weather is more unpredictable.

Having said that, there's a winter festival here that relies on naturally frozen outdoor water. A couple of years ago they had to cancel it because for the first time since it started it never got cold and stayed cold enough. If you look at the data, the length of that festival has been getting shorter and shorter every year. As for summer, having an air conditioner used to be uncommon, now it's a necessity.

It's tricky because some of that is lifestyle creep. An air conditioner used to be a much more expensive luxury, but now they're cheaper. Technology changes, expectations change, so behaviour changes. We're also notoriously bad at remembering what was normal in the past. We remember events and extremes, not averages. But, the number of days a festival can stay open in the winter is a much more concrete thing. It was just a given that it would be about 2 weeks when I was a kid, and they had a lot of freedom when it could be. Now it's a matter of waiting for the weather to cooperate, and often it can't run the full 2 weeks.

[-] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Lol we're so fucked

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 days ago

As someone from the equator:

[-] Nautalax@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I went to a country on the equator that cracked the code. Live at the equator but on a bigass mountain many thousands of feet in the air and you’ll get the consistent days and weather but at a temperature that won’t roast puny AC adapted people alive 😭🧠

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago

Also, the record high temperature in Singapore (1 degree north of the equator) is 9 degrees Celsius lower (37C) than France's record (46C).

[-] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Yep, Denver’s winter felt like perpetual spring this year right into summer. I miss winter so much. Now we’re in “shit’s on fire everywhere” season…just getting started. I’m sure the high winds will make an appearance soon too.

[-] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 9 points 6 days ago

Ive had long hair almost all of my life. Today Im getting a mohawk because I'm tired of being this sweaty all the time.

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[-] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 4 days ago

We had joy, we had fun, we had seasons in the sun.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Down in Houston, TX my seasons are

  • Warm and Wet: 3mo

  • Hot and Wet: 3mo

  • Wet Bulb: 3mo

  • Endless Rain: 2mo

  • Warm and Windy: 2mo

  • Surprise! Natural Disaster!: ???

[-] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

you've got 13 months in a year?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Chaos Month is the worst month.

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[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 10 points 6 days ago

A summer for the whole family!

[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 9 points 6 days ago

It's equally likely for winter to make old winters seem like mild springs in comparison. Climate change makes all weather events more extreme.

[-] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They all need to be jackyl and hide style today. Couple days of cold April weather, then bam 40c.

[-] Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 7 points 6 days ago

I loved that winter.

[-] StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social 6 points 6 days ago

During this heatwave have been discussing with wife about moving north of Scotland after we retire... we were heaving 38+ and they had a warm 15...

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 days ago

I stumbled upon a new wikipedia article about this heatwave that mentioned Sweden recorded a new all time temperature high (like most areast hit by the heatwave). In Germany (where I live) we just had three consecutive days with each recording a new all time high, all above 41°C. Sweden's new record high is 32,sth°C. I know where I wanna live during future summers.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 4 days ago

I've been in shorts since COVID. Absolutely no point in trousers any more.

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