Don't France have a law where you have to wear skin tight swimwear (regardless of gender) because they see it as being more hygienic as it's much more likely you aren't going to walk around in that swimwear and all get changed into it significant for swimming so it's more likely to be clean or some shit?
Yes, that is what they say. They still chlorinate the shit out of their pools so I guess if they had to account for (gasp) swimming trunks everyone would come out blonde.
Honestly, the Danish (Scandi?) approach of “hey everyone, take an actual shower before getting in” makes more sense and makes a more pleasant pool experience.
That's how it is in the uk too, you shower before and after going in.
So they, like. Passed a law saying women can wear whatever they feel comfortable in while swimming. And then, people got mad that women were wearing burkinis, so they de-funded the city until they banned them?
I mean, I see big dudes that wear long sleeve shirts into the pool to hide their man-boobs. They could also be doing it to limit sun exposure, which seems reasonable. I don't judge. I figure these burkinis are kinda like that? Like, as long as nobodies wearing so much clothing that it becomes a drowning risk... What's the BFD?
According to this site; they established these rules of only wearing tighter fitting swimwear because then people don't wear them out and about, so they stay cleaner, thus don't introduce as much dirt into the pool. (Makes sense since my public pool growing up wanted us to shower in the gym showers immediately prior to getting in so... I guess this is a valid concern at most pools)
However, they say that when they changed the rules to allow for burkinis, it was done as a religious exemption. So now the court says that changing the rules just for one random religion goes against the spirit of French law, so they changed it back.
I mean, I'm all for not giving a fuck about random religions and their weird draconian rules, but... Couldn't they just have them shower at the pool prior to swimming? And think of all the poor fat men that desperately want to hide their shame 😞
Couldn’t they just have them shower at the pool prior to swimming?
The French right now
Sometimes you just need an ignorant American to explain things 🙂
Great, this answers the question:
What stupid thing will people fight over next?
Need to hear the arguments on boths sides iterated 1000 different ways to truly understand the issue.
At least it will give trans a break.
This perfectly divisive issue, brought to you by people with too much time and distributed by your friendly oligarch.
Killlllllll meeee
I shouldn't have to explain to my son that other cultures exist, think of the children! /s
Okay i'm both dumb and uninformed but I dont have enough context to be confident I understand the bottom part. Somewhere they outlawed swimwear that muslim women would wear to a pool?
Not quite. In 2022, the city of Grenoble passed a law which allowed women to wear their bathing suit of choice rating than mandating a specific style of dress.
In 2025 there was been a successful court challenge which forces the law be retracted and to be brought back in line with national regulations. On the basis that the rule change was made to accomidate a religious group, which I guess is illegal in France.
In France you are not allowed to wear loose or long swimwear in pools for "hygiene". It is also banned for men to wear boardshorts. They have to wear speedo style garments.
Oh god my daily reminder of why I loathe western people opinions.
I mean, you're on the Europe community, but I'll bite. What is it in particular that seems to be crushing your cashews?
The racism in most western opnions even the most "progressive" people seem to have some brainworms with this shit.
I couldn't find it but there is a amazing quote comparing white supremacy with a black hole, sometimes is not directly observable but you can detect it's presence in people opinions
Why are you acting like you can't understand what Islamaphobia and racism is and why Euros are especially obnoxious about their subscription to Islamaphobia and racism?
I normally avoid this community now (Euros don't like it when you act like colonialism happens still), but you seem to recognize colonialism in Britain, so, it's not like you can't understand it. Did you mean you literally just wanted some examples of what we, of course, anticipate to be what they are referencing?
To all you fucking reddit atheists
Atheism without class struggle is just white supremacy
If by atheism you mean anti-islamism you might have a case. 'lacking belief in a god is inherently white' is a fucking wild take.
Their works – Dawkins’s, The God Delusion, Harris’s, The End of Faith, Dennett’s, Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon, and Hitchens’s, God Is Not Great – were all essentially written as a blind reaction to the 9/11 terrorist attacks and all zoomed in on Islam and the Muslim world, demonstrating a remarkable ignorance of both.
Needless to say, none of the four was able to offer any serious historical understanding of this terror act, why it happened, what it meant, or how to prevent similar acts of wanton violence in the future. Nor did they make any intellectually challenging or noteworthy contribution to the millennia-old debate on belief and disbelief in God.
That publishers have chosen to resurrect, today, this 12-year-old Islamophobic backslapping session advertised as a “landmark discussion about modern atheism” is indeed quite telling. With white supremacy currently flourishing in the US and elsewhere, a book on “new atheism” – a pseudo-intellectual movement that has heavily contributed to its rise – would surely sell.
Before proceeding any further, let us be clear: Atheism as such is a perfectly healthy proposition and the world, including the Muslim part of it, has never been devoid of atheists – all the power to them.
Across religions and cultures, there are decent and reasonable atheists, as there are equally decent and reasonable believers, who can and should openly engage in debate about religion and the belief in God without succumbing to hatred and convictions in one’s supremacy. Such open and honest conversations are indeed healthy for any community or nation and should be encouraged.
So who are these four “new atheist” crusaders (yes, they may deny it, but they are indeed very much the product of the white Western Christian crusader tradition)? They are all white older men, who have never embarked on studying Islam, do not speak Arabic – the language of the Qur’an – and certainly have no special insight into any Muslim community on earth. They are, literally, illiterate.
If I'm trying to make a point with a single bolded sentence I would maybe choose my words carefully and not use the term for a broad group if I'm talking about a specific subset. They didn't say 'the new atheism movement' they said 'atheism'.
This is about how Atheism can (and has) be used for colonialism, not that it necessarily follows or must be an integral part of it.
Ironically the New Atheist movement primarily just recycles crusader-age Christian propaganda
New Atheism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
I fucking loathe these dipshits
What has class struggle got to do with atheism?? Atheism: a-theism, as in "not theist", without religion. Class and race have nothing to do with it.
Are you trying to tell me, with a straight fucking face, that material conditions and socioeconomic position of an individual doesn't affect whether they become religious or not? And that the sudden change of their status will not affect their worldview, both present and down the line?
Are poor, dumb people more likely to be religious? Yes, there is a tendency there. If one were to suddenly become well educated would they also become atheist? Possibly, one can hope. It has certainly happened before.
However, calling atheism "white supremacy" would only be valid if you're also saying only black people are poor and dumb, and that sounds a lot more like a you problem than an atheism problem. A class struggle is not required for atheism: everyone is welcome to join in. The fact that people who don't understand the world or universe can be duped by religious mumbo jumbo is just a fact, not a requirement or defining feature.
Atheism is simply the lack of a belief in a god.
I'm not sure where you're getting all this other weird baggage
Europe
