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[-] lemmyng@lemmy.world 260 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Reason n+1 for me being thankful for switching to GrapheneOS.

[-] wuffah@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

How’s the app support? I want to switch if/when the Motorola phones come out, but I’m wondering how many of my apps/services I’ll have to abandon.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 75 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Almost everything just works after installing sandboxed Google Play Services. For a few apps you have to tweak a setting to turn off some of GrapheneOS's exploit protections. But I've found very few that refuse to run, and nothing indispensable. If you don't like your main profile having Play Services you can set them up under a second profile or a private area and keep the apps that use them away from your main profile.

[-] Aedis@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

The other thing that might be a dealbreaker for you is no contactless payments with things like google wallet will work. But you could always just attach your credit card to the back of your phone and :tada: it works again lol

[-] VeganCheesecake 20 points 1 month ago

Contactless payments technically work fine, just not via Google Wallet. Banks that have their own tap to pay app usually don't have that problem.

[-] lundah@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 month ago

You must be lucky to have such banks in your country.

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[-] inari@piefed.zip 18 points 1 month ago

Some bank apps may not work, but you can check by searching for you bank name + GrapheneOS

[-] ratel@mander.xyz 15 points 1 month ago

I found this list helpful: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/

I also found that one of the ones I use would only work in the Owner profile with Gplay services so the secondary profile wasn't an option for it.

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[-] chamomile@piefed.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 month ago

Doesn't help if someone you're talking to has it on. And unlike Zuck's stupid glasses you won't even be able to know unless you ask every single person you talk to first. This sucks.

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[-] IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 97 points 1 month ago

Motorola needs to release those GrapheneOS compatible phones now 💀

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 78 points 1 month ago

The people who called me crazy because "there's no way your phone can be listening in on you all the time" are the same people who are going to be the most excited about this "feature"

[-] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago

How did these people expect "Hey Siri" / "Hey Google" to work?

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Im a perfect world, as they claim, its a secondary system listening that isn't recording or transmitting anything, and is meant to be low power. If it hears the wake up word, it wakes up the other mic and starts recording.

Thats how they claim the smart speakers work anyway.

This would be different.

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[-] SacredHeartAttack@lemmy.world 70 points 1 month ago

Fucking yikes

[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago

Constant surveillance 😡

Audio memories 😍

[-] meejle@piefed.world 17 points 1 month ago

BIG BROTHER IS ~~WATCHING YOU~~
HELPING YOU REMEMBER YOUR IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS

[-] db2@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago

I already get "random" ads for things that were only part of a verbal conversation that happened to be near the phone.

What I want is a physical kill switch for the mic and camera, less surveillance not more.

[-] fonix232@fedia.io 29 points 1 month ago

That's been happening for well over a decade now, and while "respectable security researchers" call it bullshit... there's simply too much anecdotal evidence for it to happen organically.

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 month ago

The reality is they don't need to listen.

They have so much data on users.

  • how old you are
  • where you are
  • what you last bought
  • when you just bought it
  • who you are near
  • what they bought
  • what the people around you are searching and what ads they are seeing
  • what is being bought and sold by everyone around you
  • when you sleep
  • what you eat
  • the things you are chatting about on MMS
  • where you go
  • when you're home and when and where you work

It just goes on and on and on.

People think they are unique but they are not as unique as they think.

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[-] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 61 points 1 month ago

If a song isn’t recognized, a short digital fingerprint may be sent to Google to securely search the cloud. Background conversations and audio are never sent to Google.

And, of course, Google will honor this and any other setting, as always, right? Right?

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 month ago

As soon as they got away with "federated learning" (basically use your phone to train ai then just phone the results home rather than your data) 🤢 they knew they could just keep pushing and pushing and pushing until they have it all

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[-] oats@piefed.zip 47 points 1 month ago

Illegal in Germany. You may not record conversations, if you try to enter something like that as evidence you'll get punished as well.

I suspect there are many countries with laws like that, and if your phone actually disables the feature when you enter them or just let's you hang to dry...

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[-] DrakeAlbrecht@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Aaaand it's Niantic all over again.

[-] dasrael@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 month ago

I saw this title and immediately said "fuck off" then clicked, and ..glad to see OP sharing my immediate sentiment.

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

GrapheneOS, asap Pixel owners.

Thank me later.

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[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 30 points 1 month ago

Any soviet officials still alive must be going crazy: "wait, they actually pay to be surveilled???"

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[-] c64z86@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

This would be such a cool thing, too bad it will only be used to scrape our data in order to sell us more ads. There are far too many technologies and concepts that have been ruined already due to bloody greed.

[-] sunbytes@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Hey, don't be so pessimistic.

For sure it will be available for government agencies to subpoena or even outright purchase.

This is the free market. Everything about you is for sale.

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[-] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago

Do not want

[-] iterable@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago

Dumb phones are about to start trending more and more every day.

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[-] LievitoPadre@feddit.it 25 points 1 month ago

I believe that the idea is genuinely good; however if you think about all the data that leaves your phone and that can be used for tracking, spying and so on, it gets disgusting.

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[-] Wooki@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

This will be quite illegal in all countries and states that require 2 party consent at minimum.

Incoming Google lawsuits in 3, 2, 1.

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[-] WesternInfidels@feddit.online 21 points 1 month ago

It's easy to imagine scenarios where something like this could be useful. Sometimes very, very useful. "Hey Google, I spent the last 20 minutes speaking to a police officer, be sure to keep and transcribe all that."

But no one's going to trust it (no one should trust it) because it's offered by a big tech company. "Of course this new service is designed to be used against us," we correctly assume.

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Google: sorry, we work for the police, so that audio was not recorded.

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[-] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

“There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!” — Mario Savio, 1964

[-] 4grams@awful.systems 20 points 1 month ago

This is really about training AI, isn’t it. They’ve tapped nearly all the sources of human text output already, so now they want to create as much more of it as possible, as quickly as possible. They will tap into conversations and use it as a new data source, mark my words.

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[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 month ago

OK, how do you disable it permanently? Besides Graphene or mobile Linux?

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[-] kayohtie@pawb.social 19 points 1 month ago

Even if no one else could access it because it stayed on my device, I'm sure it'll be used for categorizing "advertising cohort" stuff again.

It sucks having to be so skeptical. With my severe ADHD something like this would be enormously helpful for remembering conversations others I talk to remember just fine but I don't.

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[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 month ago

I already have a voice recorder app on my phone, thanks.

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[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

Because they weren't already listening in?

[-] lemmelemmy@feddit.org 18 points 1 month ago

They don’t need to hide it anymore thanks to all surveillance legislations. So it can be marketed as feature.

Really looking forward for graphene firmware for Motorola phones.

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 month ago

I love the idea. Having a sortable, searchable list of everything that hits my plate day to day would be an awesome boon, I simply don't want anyone else to have that data :(

[-] FireWire400@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago
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