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Homicides went up in 2020 and 2021 and are now rapidly coming back down. Violent crime nationwide hasn't increased. But the perception of a crime wave still colors U.S. politics.

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[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago

Of course no one will notice, because it's beneficial to certain groups to keep pushing the idea that there's a rampant crime wave and we're in more danger than ever.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

What's crazy is that its both sides of the isle doing this. The far right does it to stoke fear and over-promote guns as the only means of protection, and the far left does it to villainize guns as the root of all violence. It's exhausting.

[-] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

Which current politicians are "far left"? But more importantly, what Democrat politicians are fear mongering about rampant crime?

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I don't follow any right-wing media, but yeah, on the left...

"There's a mass shooting every day!!!"

https://imgur.com/a/h6DvNwE

LOL, and you might notice the numbers from Mother Jones. Those right-wing fascists! 😆

Being a lefty shooter, I got opinions, and I see a lot from both sides. Vehicular and gun deaths are on par, year after year. And I can avoid suicide (43% I think?) and I can stay away from bad people and places. I don't have those options on the road.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

US homicide rates in 2020 were still not good... You're rapidly heading back down to that level. Which is a good negative trend. But it's still high. Really high.

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Even that 2020 peak is substantially lower than it was in the 80s and 90s, though.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

It's still really high compared to the global average. Why is that so difficult to accept?

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

I noticed all these people alive around me the other day. I'm not sure how I feel about it.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is so sad to see and I hope the United States gets its mojo back as a murder capital of the universe.

This is probably the liberals fault. Everyone should be murdering everyone else, that's the American way.

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Don't worry I have arrived

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago

Zombie attacks are at an all time low. But the perception of zombie attacks remains high!

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[-] negativenull@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I read that in his voice. The man has a way with words.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Has crime actually gone down, or have homicide rates gone down? Malcolm Gladwell did a great series on his podcast recently that points out that when trauma centers save more lives of GSW victims, the homicide rates go down simply because not as many people die -even though there are just as many bullets hitting humans.

[-] Rusticus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes I loved that series as well! I’ve mentioned it before though and Reddit seems to think Gladwell is a scam artist for some reason? He’s just a writer ffs.

[-] ohlaph@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Violent crimes have gone down.

[-] Fafner@yiffit.net 19 points 1 year ago

Not if the news media has anything to say about it! More at 11.

[-] tillary@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Malcolm Gladwell talks on his podcast about how U.S. hospitals have made huge strides in preventing gun-related deaths in recent years (except in minority cases where hospitals are too far). We also have very little data on non-death gun-related injuries, making it impossible to say whether crime rates are improving when it comes to guns. The last two episodes in the series explain the crime perception pretty well.

In fact, this post alludes the fact that the number of assaults in the US has been on an increase since 2013. https://www.statista.com/statistics/191231/reported-aggravated-assault-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

U.S. hospitals have made huge strides in preventing gun-related deaths in recent years

We talking treatment or prevention? The former I assume?

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Treatment, which prevents deaths. The number of actual shootings hasn't gone down, only the number of people dying from shootings.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Probably not since crimes of desperation are on the fall, leaving the really gruesome heinous shit for "if it bleeds it leads" publishers to jump all over.

You might notice coverage of political violence and hate crimes have been on the rise, this ain't because of a journalistic inclination to cover the problems of society, it's because violent crime has fallen enough that hate crimes and political violence are a sizeable chunk of what's left to report on for red journalists.

[-] XbSuper@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Yes the cops, and they are doing their part to pump thise number back up.

[-] zepheriths@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

No because where I live homicide is up from last year and one still happens almost every day

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

My experience is more important than reality

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

"The world ends at my horizons and so does my empathy!"

[-] DriftingDeep@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

There’s literally a section in this article titled “Anecdotes shape perception.” In the event you were being serious, try reading the article, since it specifically addresses your point.

[-] atticus88th@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Homicides went up in WA state. Interesting, I thought they had the strongest gun control measures in the nation.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd guess CA for strictest, for sure the most useless. "You can't have a grip on your rifle. It must have a ludicrous 'fin'. It's safer."

Washington: "You can't have 'high capacity' magazines you killers!"

Yeah, but you're banning standard mags, what the gun was engineered to use. And swapping one is a 2-4 second chore, trivial. Only idiots buy high-capacity mags because they jam nonstop. (Which put a HUGE dent in the Aurora shooter's evening.) I'm all in on letting morons have jammy magazines.

"Weapons of WAR!"

So how come the military doesn't use high-capacity mags?

"Shut up shut up shut up! You just want more dead children!"

I'm just sayin', you're burning political capital on a non-issue. How about we fight for something like safe storage and the like? Or maybe teach children gun safety so they recognize they're not toys and, at worst, are able to identify when someone's being an idiot?

"NOOO! Prohibition works!"

Like with alcohol, abortion and drugs?

🤬

Anyhow, that's how most of the conversation go amongst my liberal brethren. (The last part is where the inform me that I'm not really a liberal. I'll let someone else fill that bit in.)

[-] atticus88th@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Holy shit. You and I must be living the same life because it has literally been the same experience.

Its exhausting to a point.

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 points 1 year ago

There are plenty of liberals that aren't sold on the gun control strategy. I'll join the party here.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

I highly recommend everyone listen to Malcolm Gladwell's series he recently did on guns on the Revisionist History podcast. It lays out these points in crystal clarity.

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Jesus fucking Christ you people reach, don't you? Fuck me, guess the number 88 is now illegal.

OR, you could simply check OPs post history. See if there's some bullshit in there.

OR, and this is really gonna bake your noodle, you could answer the question or simply STFU.

[-] DMerald@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

Having done my my own research and scrolling through the profile I have determined... they're just some guy.

[-] Johanno@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Welcome back in the civilized World

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

3d printers aren't magic. If you can 3d print it 9/10 you could carve it out of wood. Going to ban carving knifes?

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

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