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[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago

Big Ted. What a nice nickname for someone who I'm sure was a nice young man.

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

His MKULTRA handler gave it to him

"Hey Big Ted how's your brain feeling"

"Good enough to mostly make sense" Industrial Society and its Future

[-] ol_capt_joe@piefed.ee 26 points 1 week ago

Industrial revolution stands on the shoulders of a giant called the agricultural revolution.

I brake for hunter gatherers.

[-] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 9 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I see the industrial revolution as an inevitable consequence of the agricultural revolution.

Which is to say:
The agricultural revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

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[-] halvar@lemy.lol 24 points 1 week ago

I don't know... I've always found Kaczinsky an interesting guy, but now that I'm around halfway through his book, I find his arguements surprisingly weak as in he doesn't really put a lot of effort into justifying the basics. He just goes on to say "yeah obfuscating the process of survival is bad" and sure I can see how some people might find hunting rabbits with bows more fulfilling than looking at Excel all day but if you don't accept that immediately then his arguements become pretty weak.

[-] ZMoney@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

I use Excel to calculate the ages of the oldest rocks in the Solar System. If I was using it to find accounting loopholes for a private equity firm, I'd probably kill myself.

Ted's problem is that he equates the tools and the processes of post-industrial society with its people. Just because the possibility exists for these surrogate activities to replace meaningful work doesn't mean we all succumb automatically.

[-] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Ted's problem was that he murdered people.

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[-] halvar@lemy.lol 3 points 1 week ago

"Equating the tools and processes with the people" is such a good way of putting it that I gotta remember to remember it.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

I'm impressed you made it half way, the man was not a natural writer by any means.

[-] huquad@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago

In the beginning the Universe was created. This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 week ago
[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Why are people supporting this insane view is so strange to me. The results of no industrial revolution would be a lack of medicine and widespread famine, on a scale no place on earth has ever seen.

If you care about the health of disabled people, if you care about minorities, if you care about workers, then this view is untenable. Its one step shy of full on fascism, "final solution" style. I have more sympathy for absolute misanthropy than this; at least it's honest.

[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Kaczynski was a quintessential reactionary ecofascist, no additional qualifier required. But a lot of people have their first encounter with radical social critique in his writings, so absent any further critical theory his direct acts are often categorized as romantic rebellion, rather than the grossly misdirected randomized murders that they were.

It's quite the coincidence that as soon as there was a charismatic (In a way) Harvard grad with a CIA mind-control experiment in his past writing wheat pasted manifestos about technology as the root of all evil while he blew up civilian science researchers, NYTimes - The supposed dignified record of the political center - Was willing to post that shit in full page spread, unsolicited. They didn't do anything of the sort for a certain charismatic alleged green mario, when he identified social class as the blame. It's almost as if social hierarchy wants to skirt blame for it's externalities and instead misdirect it onto scapegoats.

[-] nomy@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Slight correction, I believe the NYTimes printed Industrial Society and Its Future because Kaczynski told them he'd stop mailing bombs if they did. The FBI and Janet Reno (AG at the time) both pushed for it and its publication directly led to his brother recognizing the writing as Ted's and his subsequent capture.

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

the industrial revolution could have been done without capitalism actively choosing to destroy so many lives in the name of profit..

[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

This is squarely to blame on capitalism.

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

most everything is.

[-] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Kaczynski was the proto Incel-Shooter.
Had his head way up his own ass, really weird thoughts on women and all this was somehow the fault of everybody else. Him getting glazed as somehow good or admirable leaves a real foul taste in my mouth every time.

[-] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

A desire to return to the norm of humanity for the last 15,000 years does not seem immediately similar to fascism. In fact, your immediate violent dismissal of it is concerning.

[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

Those 15000 years were violent; death, disease and persecution were constant and everywhere. Oh and that return would reduce the population by at least ~80%. Anyone suggesting it would be good necessarily implicitly supports a global genocide.

Who do you think would suffer as a result, besides minorities and disabled people?

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[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

It's what the lack of historical materialism does to a mfer.

[-] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Learning to walk upright and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

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[-] sunsofold@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

Our poor spines.

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[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 13 points 1 week ago

We are undeniably better off because of the industrial revolution. It's caused problems but those are well worth it for the benefit.

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Right now*

We've almost caused, and now will forever have the capacity to cause, a mass extinction event with nuclear bombs. If the cold war had turned hot we probably wouldn't be saying the industrial revolution was "worth it".

There's also the more slow motion extinction event in the form of climate change.

But yes for those living in the west from 1950 ~ 2150 it's a good deal

To quote Zhou Enlai when asked in 1968 about the impacts of the French revolution "it's too early to say"

[-] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

We are currently experiencing a mass extinction event on a similar scale but greater speed than the Permian mass extinction.

CURRENTLY. It is getting worse.

[-] binux@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Only if you’re basing your assertion on inherently biased criteria. For many in the west it’s better sure, but what about the majority of people in impoverished countries, or less fortunate people in general? How about non-human species that have been losing their natural habitats to pollution and global warming inch by inch, or just human interference in general? Or even species that have been outright driven to extinction by human activity?

I’m not so sure any of that is worth it for a new smart phone every year with only marginally better features. And I hear the new hyped-up technology is pretty much the epitome of an infinite amount of monkeys on typewriters desperate to type up Shakespeare.

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[-] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 9 points 1 week ago

“Just a sec”

puts on gigantic goose costume

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I read his writing for the first time recently. It certainly sticks with you. He was certainly no dummy. I still take issue with some of his stances. Big of me, I know.

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I was about to say, you nod along with Ted until he starts into the racist bits.

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Also his entire argument, which is pretty well-structured, completely hinges on certain things he just takes for granted. Namely, that the number of people that would be harmed by his approach might be far greater than continuing on this current path. I don't know whether he's right or wrong about that, but it's PRETTY CRUCIAL, and I feel there's tons of room for nuance. He, in his frustration, seemingly reduced the potential deaths of tens of millions (if not more) to, "Eh. Fuck it, it's probably better," best I can tell. He offers plenty of diagnoses, but no real remedies or cures.

[-] snoons@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

Ironic that someone put this on vehicle powered by gasoline but I suppose that's the crux of the issue; we can just ignore the consequences of our actions as long is doesn't immediately effect us. In this case they're part of the cohort of people that drive to work everyday and indirectly cause the deaths of hundreds of millions of poor people on the other side of the world that they inherently don't give shit about. Mostly in Africa and India, who gives a fuck about them right?

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

I made an attempt to read that guy's book once. Holy hell the man is a nutter, and not a writer by any means.

I made it a quarter of the way through, if that. Absolute waffle.

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[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Mentally diseased woman hating racist antI-semite incel who unapologetically killed innocent people says "fuck the system" and that's what anyone focuses on?

[-] ReCursing@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago

As someone who relies on a wide variety of medications to survive and is not mobile enough to reliably get about anywhere without a lot of modern conveniences, and who's parter would be dead without the above, and who quite likes the internet

No

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[-] shittydwarf@piefed.ca 3 points 1 week ago
[-] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

Kinda weird to put it on a car, though

[-] Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

I identify as a “honkee”

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