
There's no question that judging women by their appearance is a widespread problem, but doing expensive/unsafe medical things for the sake of appearance is also about personality.
Yes... a personality often built off the unhealthy relationship society has with women's physical appearance. Sure, women can not care, but their lives will often unfortunately be much more difficult for it. Even accounting for the effort put into their appearance. These things are not so easily divorced in reality as they are in online discussions.
I'm not ignoring societal pressures, but at some point you have to take responsibility for your priorities. I assume you wouldn't excuse billionaires as just participating in capitalism and doing what they're "supposed" to do. The harm of invasive medical procedures and medications for aesthetic reasons seems like a good place to draw the line and say "you have a problem"
comparing woman and the societal struggle they are forced through just by existing is not the same as choosing to maintain an evil system of financial oppression on the working class.
this is a poor argument.
I think its reasonable to bring attention to the extremely harmful act of women, who are held by society as the beauty standard, are anorexic or abusing weight loss drugs when it isn't necessary.
We have countless studies on the ill effects idolizing women with unrealistic body standards, especially to the point they're harming themselves to achieve them, has on women and young girls. This recent revival of the "heroine chick" beauty standard via eating disorders and GLP1 abuse is a nightmare to the psyche of women and girls, and also does damage the psyche of men and young boys for that matter.
"Heroin chic" is the fashion of looking starved and shadowed as if you're a heroin addict.
"Heroine chick" is Supergirl
Because the cosmetics industry spends billions of dollars a year yelling at women that they aren't good enough.
They're working the same bullshit on boys too (publicly) for the last 20 years.
I mean, it's been going on far longer than 20 years. It's just been more directly relatable to how women's appearances have been critiqued since 'metrosexuality' was a trend a couple decades ago.
Because society tells attractive women our value is primarily being attractive and losing that is scary since most people aren’t willing to give up the only thing that makes them valuable
When I got fat, people were assholes to me so much more often. They had no patience for me, it was crazy. I got back in shape and I'm worth courtesy and kindness again, apparently.
I'm afraid of aging in part because I'm scared to lose that basic human decency again.
this reminds me of a story. a friend who who underwent HRT and surgical transition early in life with support of her parents. she started dating someone in her mid 20s. he was kind, patient, and gentle to her for the first months of their relationship. then the topic of kids came up. she was upfront with him. "we'd have to adopt. i'm trans" and it was like a lightswitch turned in him. he screamed at her for tricking him and stormed out sticking her with the restaraunt bill. by all of the things that supposedly matter in society, she had done everything right. she was conventionally attractive by femme standards, her physical appearance was so in alignment with femme standards in fact that this secret chud hadn't even realized she was trans. but still, the moment she couldn't perform the full societal standard for what it means to be femme presenting, she was met with threats of physical violence, abandoned, and left to fulfill a responsibility that it had been pre-agreed on he would cover.
and i ask you: who tricked who? the trans woman who in 2013 didn't want to bring up her transness until she knew she was safe, or the man who said he was an ally up until the moment someone he said he loved turned out to require even basic allyship
1). Society tells women they need to do things “preventively” to avoid becoming hideous goblins in a few years. That’s why you see 22 year olds getting Botox - they have been told they have to start paying NOW to avoid wrinkles
2). Hollywood and entertainment media have normalized unrealistic standards. And you can’t become a newcomer in that space without conforming to the employable look
3). Gossip media loves to pick apart any millimetre of fat (“Is ______ pregnant? Click to see her baby bump!”) or photo taken in bad lighting (“What is wrong with ______ ‘s health, click to see what our medical specialists have to say”). And then they love to chastise people after they give into plastic surgery (“Click to see ______’s terrible nose job, why DID she do it??”)
Billions of dollars are made making women feel shitty. Nobody is going to let that cash go because morals.
This meme is part of the system here as well.
No one in this thread is complaining about ugly women getting these procedures done. They want women to be attractive, but only on their terms.
Yes it’s irritating that society can celebrate the good qualities of men who aren’t physically attractive (sense of humour, intelligence, kindness, etc.) but has such trouble accepting that a woman who isn’t physically attractive can have worthwhile qualities. We can’t seem to compute when a woman decides that she has other priorities.
Oh boy a thread about women's bodies, I'm sure this will be a civil and rational discussion and definitely won't have misogynistic views throughout the entire thing.
Why do people keep inventing ways to make people feel insecure about their appearances? Because there is a lot of money in it, comrade.
Patriarchy
e: Some dudes apparently can't take accountability and they gotta downvote me to prove their point
and misogyny
I just want you to know that I'm downvoting you because the way you express your opinion is facile and simplistic, and honestly helps further the division you purport to critique. Not because I necessarily disagree with the general sentiment you believe you're trying to convey.
One word answers to problems are easy, but they rarely accurate enough to actually help solve the issue and generally are used to push people to extreme opinions. It's much less effort to just spout a catchphrase to push people towards your own personal goal rather than get into an actually beneficial discussion about the ins and outs of how life actually works and how to solve real world problems.
Insecurity :(
and if you interrogate where that insecurity has its roots, you will often find the answer is a society that constantly subjects women to judgement for their appearance, be that negative or positive judgement. it is simply the experience of being judged. botox, ozempic, plastic surgery, etc all becomes gender affirming care when you are femme in a society that requires femme identifying people to perform the role of disireable sexual object
the original post asks why. the original post also is why
and men have their own experiences with oppositional gaze, too, so we are clear. if you've ever heard the phrase "low t" applied to a man in his 30s or later, you have witnessed it
If I ever heard someone say "low t" unironically, I might laugh so hard I die.
Not a woman, so I could be full of shit. It does seem to me that women face much more pressure to be conventionally attractive, especially in image-intensive jobs like acting.
Very true, and already-attractive women started being told how pretty they were while they were younger so it became part of their identity and sense of self-worth. So they're vulnerable to the fear of "losing their looks."
I dunno, I think the tides of public opinion are shifting on ozempic. Mostly because of how absolutely awful being fat is on your body. Though, where it's priced now it's going to remain a designer drug for vain, rich assholes with a touch of sour grapes for everyone else.
In my own opinion I wouldn't even put it in the same category as those others.
A healthy body needs fat. As long as you are healthy, you can have fat. The amount and thresholds can vary strongly from person to person.
I'd bet the comment was referring to obesity and not just a healthy amount of fat
Apparently you're right. I misunderstood it a bit.
hey just wanted to say - thanks for admitting you misunderstood something. such a rare sight on the internet
I agree, but if we look at the CDC: Percent of adults age 20 and older with overweight, including obesity: 72.4% (August 2021-August 2023)
72 point freakin' 4 percent.
With numbers like that, obesity is more like an epedemic and ozempic is a potential treatment.
I lost about 100lbs on a prescription similar to ozempic. The world is much kinder to me now. I got a promotion, more hours working, society is friendlier and kinder. I would recommend anyone considering it talk to their doctor.
Self hatred is an industry. The manosphere is one part, and the beauty industry is the other - both trying to make you hate yourself and then sell you the cure. It's emotional and psychological grifting.
I kind of hate that this implies “ugly” women will not be judged here for using the same beauty procedures as already attractive women.
Not to mention that these beauty procedures are also sought out by men.
Yeah, this post is just misogynistic.
“You already make my dick hard, why are you still insecure?!”
Yeah it’s gross.
Wholesome plot twist; the "already attractive women" includes all the women.
Social media is brain poison. That's why, that's the reason.
Seems like a lot of the time they're doing it for other women.
There was a study that showed that men prefer natural lips while women preferred the injected lips. It's definitely done for other women.
It's her body and she gets to make the choice
I technically agree with this. If it came down to making laws about this or that, body autonomy takes priority. But I don’t think that should preclude discussion about an individual’s motivation for the modification, and whether it is healthy.
Because patriarchy.
You are what you think about, and if you don't control your thoughts, they control you.
I get scared of the botox faces, both seen from a screen and IRL. They speak, but face doesn't move. No emotions. It's just unsettling. And it's hard to take the person seriously, even if they were smart.
Often it looks like that the person would be very pretty, definitely not a mirror breaker, under it all. Even makeup often looks like the person would look better after cleaning the skin with a butter knife. I keep hearing from men that their ladies are most prettiest after waking up or just without makeup, but it's not like they can say that without the lady thinking they're being sarcastic.
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