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[-] sota2077@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Susan Lorincz has been charged with manslaughter with a firearm and assault in the June 2 shooting death of Ajike Owens.

So she was charged. Just not with murder. Which still sucks, but it is much better to go to court and find her guilty of manslaughter with a firearm and assault than it is to charge her with murder and have her be acquitted due to lack of evidence.

[-] bing_crosby@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah this one hell of a clickbaity title.

[-] cygnus_velum@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Charging Lorincz with murder would require prosecutors to provide evidence of hatred, spite, ill will or evil intent toward the victim at the time of the killing.

The alleged shooter told detectives that she called the victim's children racist slurs in the months leading up to the slaying, admitting that she used "the n-word."

Fucking pathetic. She should spend the rest of her life behind bars.

[-] sudo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

at the time of the killing

See, she was a racist piece of shit who hated blacks up until the day of the shooting but since she wasn't overtly racist while she murdered the children's mother it's okay, they let those things go in Florida. What they don't let go is things like letting people of color knock on doors in order to have conversations between adults.

[-] bing_crosby@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

How is bringing charges that will carry up to 30 years in prison "letting things go", exactly?

[-] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

aiming a firearm at the door, and pulling the trigger is legally insufficient to prove depraved mind.

That's my favorite part. Yes, because totally rational, normal human beings who aren't Danny DeVito just start blasting. Nothing to see here. What a clown show we've become.

[-] fadhl3y@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Manslaughter with a firearm and assault, its not the charges we want but they will almost certainly be proven and she will go away for a long, long time.

[-] angrymouse@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Lorincz had been angry over Owens' children playing in a field close to her apartment.

The alleged shooter told detectives that she called the victim's children racist slurs in the months leading up to the slaying, admitting that she used "the n-word."

State Attorney William Gladson said his office determined there was insufficient evidence to file a murder charge against Lorincz. Charging Lorincz with murder would require prosecutors to provide evidence of hatred, spite, ill will, or evil intent toward the victim at the time of the killing.

I just don't get it

[-] roofuskit@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Defense attorney will preemporty strike most black jurors, judge will allow it. It's Florida, prosecutors are charging what they think they can win.

[-] keeb420@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I feel so bad for those kids. They were abused by this piece of shit and then lost their mother to her.

[-] sudo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Moira_Mayhem@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's simple, white women are literally the most protected class on the planet.

And Florida is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally racist.

[-] MyOpinion@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Florida you are a shit hole.

[-] dezmd@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Manslaughter is likely the only charge they can effectively prove unless discovery turns up legally admissible evidence of premeditation that would be needed for murder charges. Being a crazy racist bitch in an of itself doesn't necessarily equate to premeditation of murder, even if a fuck like the lady in this story seems to deserve such a charge.

For a good example of when manslaughter would be a more effective charge to pursue because its more likely to have actual punishment involved, look back at the George Zimmerman killing of Trayvon Martin case. Prosecutors fucked up by trying him for full on murder rather than a form of negligent manslaughter, which I continue to maintain that it was fully INTENTIONALLY done to throw the case by the States Attorneys office, maybe as a political strategy favor to Zimmerman's father, a former judge. At the time I spoke with some attorneys in my family with criminal court experience, it appeared manslaughter rather than murder was far more easily demonstrable when evidence showed Zimmerman ignored the instruction of the 911 operator to not follow him:

Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards? Zimmerman: The back entrance... Fucking punks. These assholes, they always get away... Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah. Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that. Zimmerman: Okay.

A guilty verdict on murder requires intent and premeditation, and situationally a scenario can many times mask both intent and premeditation but it can't really mask demonstrable negligence that leads to a killing.

The only effective justice to be found in this case may be a manslaughter charge with the jail time and penalties it brings. A murder charge more than likely ends in a not guilty plea, since any reasonable doubt towards the intent and premeditation means a not guilty verdict.

[-] jcrabapple@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Fuck Florida.

[-] SlowNPC@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Per the article, she's facing manslaughter charges (max 30 years).

[-] alejandro@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Given the facts in this case, aiming a firearm at the door, and pulling the trigger is legally insufficient to prove depraved mind

https://youtu.be/DeAP9-JhIXk

[-] exohuman@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

This blows my mind too. What the fuck kind of mind aims a firearm at the door with another human behind it and pulls the trigger?

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