Just because they did a lot of bad things doesn't mean that you can blatantly lie about killing 500 civilians and then get away with it. Can Israel lie about Hamas beheading 500 babies? And when they do, are you going to accept the narrative of well even if they didn't do it, they did a lot of bad things? Don't think so.

I get why you're saying that, but that doesn't help anyone.

They killed multiple journalists earlier this week and killed at least 6 in a strike on a school and this hospital debacle has drowned all of that out.

Can we hold hamas (and palestine for giving them a holdout) for their war crimes, or is your logic only one-way?

Yeah, is there any place in southern Gaza that isn't packed full of the people they told to move there from the north for 'safety'?

A two-state-solution doesn't work in part because extremist Muslim groups want the are to be purely Muslim. They would continue to attack Israel with terror tactics, Like they did from the start. What is your solution to that?

The western world is focused on insignificant details. Who carried out what attack. Who dropped what bomb. Which act is more morally reprehensible. None of this solves the problem of a displaced people

Misinformation on the scale of "a building was destroyed that clearly is still intact" deserves focus. If they'll lie about shit that can be confirmed with a tiny bit of research, what else is getting exaggerated?

The reason for the focus is that it was deliberately being used in a disinformation campaign. Were that not the case, I think you're right that it would have faded into the background noise as just one bomb among 6000 others.

I’ll take what the president says as the stance of the US government, and I don’t think that’s remotely unreasonable…

If he’s making mistakes with off the cuff remarks, then he needs to stop making off the cuff remarks.

"Iraq has WMD's" is a similar statement, backed by an entire administration, that also led to unnecessary deaths.

Its a political statement, because if Israel did attack the hospital, then that's another outright war crime right after Israel was threatened by Jordan, Lebanon, and Iran.

Uh, did you miss this part?

Two U.S. officials told ABC News the Pentagon independently concluded

Both of those estimates come from Hamas sources (well the 1000 people one IDK where you got that from).

JFC people you can criticize Israel without gobbling up a terrorist organization's fat propaganda dick. For now we just have no way to know how many people died in that hospital. Find another war crime to criticize Israel for, they're not that hard to come by.

Just like Iraq had WMDs.

This line really doesn't mean that much anymore after critics used it to say the claims that Russia was going to invade Ukraine were untrue.

Healthy skepticism is warranted, but let's not use arguments that have become hollow.

Israel couldn’t have hoped for a more favorable outcome, how fortunate.

They could have done damage to the hospital proper, that would have been more favorable in this escalation plot you nailed down. Why another escalation is needed after raids are already commencing, I dunno, the plot is just so dastardly. The anti-israel riots after this event are undoubtedly going to be used by Israel to give carte blanche to start striking Gaza! Oh wait, that was already happening. A plan so good it is accomplished before it starts.

Also the density of Gaza would make it more probable than not that hamas/Islamic jihad bombs would land in population dense spots when they land short. You don't hear about the IJ bombs that didn't land in hospital parking lots, and assuming otherwise would be rife with logical fallacies.

All in all these events gave Israel nothing that they didn't already have, and stalled Arab meetings to boot. IJ got a pr coup from uncritical media, and the whole event has been muddied into useless circles.

It was also their official statement that Russia was going to invade Ukraine.

The intelligence agencies actually concluded that Iraq might have weapons of mass destruction. It was the Bush administration that spun it as a certainty and created the lie that they definitely had them.

Since this discussion comes again and again and again, here a Crosspost from a similar thread that shows the „morning after“:

So this here is the current view on the area where supposedly about 500 people died. Also there are allegedly more than 300 wounded.

Questions I personally have:

• where is the rubble and where is the bomb crater?
• why does the building seem undamaged?
• how do you fit 800 people in this parking lot?

This is the part where you show the receipts...

Yes, you can usually find it abbreviated as PIJ and supposedly has ties to Iran