Doing good things is a distraction from what's really important: getting that dang cheeto out of the white house!!
No we can't pressure this politician we say we want to push with our leverage what if that hurts their election chances. /s
Engaging in politics? Pointless.
Obviously the solution is to constantly talk about the necessity of violent action while never actually committing any acts of violence.
imagine being so intellectually impoverished to think that voting is the sole means of political engagement
It's just too bad that people are only capable of one form of political engagement at a time. There's no way that someone could try to organize in their community and fill out a ballot a few times a year.
And really, why would you? Things will be exactly the same no matter who is in power as long as they aren't 100% aligned with your views.
Nah, best to mock anyone who chooses coalition building over ideological purity and stick to the plan of having a tiny fraction of the population lead a revolution... eventually.
Why does it feel like people like you are a product of a propaganda mill than anyone with any original thoughts.
Same talking points over and over and over for decades that lead to Trump getting elected, but nothing changed.
Nice straw man, nowhere did I say anything about doing only one form of political engagement at a time. In fact, that's precisely what I was deriding in my comment.
And I had said nothing about voting at all, let alone suggesting that people should vote and do nothing else. Maybe I confused you for the straw man because you were still covered in the stuff from fighting a straw man of your own.
My mistake for assuming you'd actually be making your comment within the context of the discussion.
Voting in US elections is engaging in politics in the same way that playing with the big steering wheel at the playground is driving
or maybe look into the history of the failure of electorlism to change society or no we could do nothing like you suggest.
well thankfully violent resistance got Mamdani elected
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Since my sarcasm may not fully convey my sentiment, here’s a bit more…
There are too many calls for violence compared to the calls for solidarity. Violently subverting the dominant paradigm won’t accomplish anything unless there’s solidarity to shape the outcome on the other side.
And for all these cries for violence, I just don’t see any news about violent resistance—and especially not about effective violent resistance.
Even the claim that violence has been the only thing to stop fascism is dubious. Fascism is still here. It was kept in check until we collectively stopped fighting it in the realm of public option, thinking the work was all done.
This isn't a theoretical debate. We can just look at MAS in Bolivia to see what people mean by violent resistance. https://thespectaclemag.substack.com/p/the-bolivian-people-rise-up-and-say
People aren't talking about some random acts of violence here. What they're talking about is building a militant worker movement. And anybody who claims that worker movements stopping fascism is dubious is either deeply ignorant or a troll. Historically, this is the only way fascism has been stopped. Meanwhile, what voting gets you is Germany in 1930s where the social democrats famously aligned with the nazis against the communists.
Your post is about the violence. MAS is about the community and solidarity.
Yes, and MAS uses community and solidarity to fight state violence with violence. Are you genuinely not aware of this or you're just trolling?
Your post puts the cart before the horse and sows division.
ok ,so trolling then, thanks for clarifying
Derision doesn’t help our cause.
then don't sealion into threads to do it
Yeah, that’s not trolling nor sealioning.
People didn’t find your joke to be funny or helpful, and your responses have been rather antagonistic.
I’ve offered thoughtful explanations of why I don’t find your post humorous, but harmful instead. I appreciate the evidence you’ve provided in response, but the labeling isn’t helpful.
Poke some fun at the oligarchs, and I’ll send more LOLs your way.
And I explained why your explanation is ahistorical and does not match observed reality. There is a discussion to be had regarding messaging, but the reality of the situation is that the sate has a monopoly on legalized violence in form of police and military forces, and it is not shy about using violence against the public. This is true for every western country where mass protests are suppressed brutally and violently. The only realistic option for the working majority is to build power structures that are able to meet the violence of the state standing up.
Okay, I think I understand you, and we agree on the important stuff.
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fuck you mandami kept the far right police ministry, has already given in, has done nothing to stop ice from brutalzing new yorkers, has restarted homeless sweeps, condems resistance to what he says is a genocide, apologized for calling the nypd racist on and on. Stop champaigning less than half measures.
#funny
