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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago

This isn't a theoretical debate. We can just look at MAS in Bolivia to see what people mean by violent resistance. https://thespectaclemag.substack.com/p/the-bolivian-people-rise-up-and-say

People aren't talking about some random acts of violence here. What they're talking about is building a militant worker movement. And anybody who claims that worker movements stopping fascism is dubious is either deeply ignorant or a troll. Historically, this is the only way fascism has been stopped. Meanwhile, what voting gets you is Germany in 1930s where the social democrats famously aligned with the nazis against the communists.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Your post is about the violence. MAS is about the community and solidarity.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago

Yes, and MAS uses community and solidarity to fight state violence with violence. Are you genuinely not aware of this or you're just trolling?

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Your post puts the cart before the horse and sows division.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago

ok ,so trolling then, thanks for clarifying

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Derision doesn’t help our cause.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

then don't sealion into threads to do it

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah, that’s not trolling nor sealioning.

People didn’t find your joke to be funny or helpful, and your responses have been rather antagonistic.

I’ve offered thoughtful explanations of why I don’t find your post humorous, but harmful instead. I appreciate the evidence you’ve provided in response, but the labeling isn’t helpful.

Poke some fun at the oligarchs, and I’ll send more LOLs your way.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago

And I explained why your explanation is ahistorical and does not match observed reality. There is a discussion to be had regarding messaging, but the reality of the situation is that the sate has a monopoly on legalized violence in form of police and military forces, and it is not shy about using violence against the public. This is true for every western country where mass protests are suppressed brutally and violently. The only realistic option for the working majority is to build power structures that are able to meet the violence of the state standing up.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Okay, I think I understand you, and we agree on the important stuff.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago
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