Just one more thing losing contact with reality.
Good news, maybe this means people will finally stop trusting polls so those of us who still have some semblance of democracy can go vote for the things we actually want to see changed instead of having our choices prejudiced by polls that tell us we must "strategically vote" so we can't have nice things.
Voting for the lesser evil is still evil.
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Not voting is voting. No politician is going to agree with you on everything and some are much much worse than others.
This is the hill I die on.
Its the hill we all die on, since it affects so many. Even those who cant vote in those elections.
Then I hope you enjoy the system you have because it will never change.
And not voting changes the system how, exactly?
Not voting makes election fraud much easier and therefore getting people you definitively don't want in power.
You are not happy who you get to vote for in general election? Why not take part in elections that influence it. Local elections, midterms.
Why not volunteering in campaigns for candidates that you actually support? Maybe even running yourself?
Ajay promote ranked choice voting.
We recently had victories for multiple candidates that establishment didn't want to win.
And some are almost exactly the same but painted with two different colors of evil. Strategic voting forces you to choose one. If you think strategic voting is the answer, then that certainly is the hill you are going to die on because the false dichotomy of Kang and Kodos is absolutely going to kill you.
Strategic voting at least staves off the worst for a while. It's not the solution, but it is part of a solution.
There's no one single thing that will fix everything. Not protesting, not violent action, not voting. They are all part of a whole that is necessary to affecting lasting and positive change. Advocating that people not do one and only do the other lessens all action.
Absolutely agreed, my only point is that people treat it like it's a victory and celebrate like they've won the superbowl, when it's just death by a thousand cuts. People need to understand that strategic voting is not a victory even when it's successful, it's a "we haven't lost yet". The fighting doesn't stop there. There is so much more work to do and the people you voted into office are not going to do it no matter what party they are. The corruption is on both sides of the aisle. The corruption doesn't care what your personal politics are.
Sometimes "we haven't lost yet" is better than "we've already lost."
What are you suggesting? Because nothing short of nationwide militant revolution is going to change the facts for any country. "Both sides are the same" is the kind of rhetoric that got the US in the shit it's in now, for example. Yes, the system needs to be completely overhauled but that's not going to happen overnight. Nobody's saying strategic voting is the answer, it's making the best of a bad situation. Sometimes you need to make incremental progress by choosing the least bad option, because the alternative is worse. No, Kamala would not have been the best pick to be US president, but if you are honestly saying she'd have been the same as Trump you either haven't been paying attention for the last decade or are actively trying to disenfranchise voters. Either way, keep that shit to yourself.
That's nonsense, you need to keep your militant revolution shit to yourself. Protests and civil disobedience are extremely powerful motivators that can affect real change, yes, but they are not a militant revolution, and there are grassroots and progressive options for democratic change. No, the US may never lose the two-party system, but voting is not just something you do for a president, and it does not always mean simply walking into a voting booth, casting your vote and going home and shrugging if the result isn't the one you voted for.
Desegregation and women's suffrage were both accomplished with great effort by accepting neither party's position on the issues and actively forcing a third option onto the table. This was not accomplished by simply "voting for the democratic party a bunch of times".
I'm not suggesting violence, I'm saying that's the only thing that would change things overnight. Lasting change takes time. Desegregation and women's sufferage didn't magically spawn a third party, they were both accomplished by years of hard work forcing the two existing parties to acknowledge them as genuine issues. Throwing your hands up and saying "they're all the same anyway" does nothing but make way for the people working very hard to make things worse.
"why do they vote for lizards? cause if they didn't then a worse lizard might get in"
I could never down vote Douglas Adams.
Having said that, when was the last time you had two candidates with exactly the same policies. Keeping literal Nazis out is a start, then you can participate in primaries, local politics or whatever for faster change. If you don't participate then you are allowing the dickheads to choose.
PS by you I don't mean you personally
Not voting is voting.
Of course it is. It's the "I don't care enough to even choose the lesser evil, so I'm ok with whatever result gets out of the ballot" vote.
“The idea behind silicon sampling is simple and tantalizing,” they write. “Because large language models can generate responses that emulate human answers, polling companies see an opportunity to use AI agents to simulate survey responses at a small fraction of the cost and time required for traditional polling.”
Somebody invested money into this company. And there's at least hundreds, maybe thousands, of other businesses with these asinine ideas about how to use AI. They're all getting capital from someone who's supposed to be smart because they have capital. Remember that when llm providers cost correct token prices.
The whole venture capitalism thing is bullshit. It's just vibes and rich man hubris.
We really need to kick this idea that rich people are smarter. The vast majority were born on third base and think they hit a home run.
I inherited my grandfather's robber baron fortune, I'm a GENIUS!
That someone is Peter Thiel according to this: https://corbettreport.com/the-stupidest-poll-of-all-time/
Humans barely answer surveys as if they were human, this is some real derivative shit.

I used to work for one of the nation's largest survey marketplaces. Y'all have no idea how deep this hole goes.
Surveys\polls are largely requested by political polling groups, research teams, and ad agencies. They put those up on an auction block just like ads, and then we would route traffic into it from various places. Mostly the survey takers come from mobile games (take this 3 question survey for 20 Blorp Points kind of stuff) or survey taker apps that give you points for gift cards and such.
So even before bots, most polls are taken by "professional" survey takers who use banks of phones to maximize their point earnings. We spent a lot of energy on "proving" to the survey provider side that real humans were answering, and not using scripts or bots to just rapid finish them (answer B to everything kind of stuff). Using sophisticated bots to randomly answer was super common.
They were super ready for AI. We talked about it everyday, game planned how it would work, designed systems around it. "Synthetic survey" was the buzz word. Why ask humans for answers if the statistics machine can convincingly predict the answer for you? We proposed ideas like generating the prediction fast and early, then using actual polls to adjust the result towards reality over time. We had tools to track people and connect their spending to poll questions so we could ask follow up questions on purchases, to provide "lift" metrics to agencies on if their ads were working. We were working on the "verification can" tech, only it would have been "Answer this 10 question survey to continue watching your movie."
I was so glad to leave that place. They got bought and consolidated into the world's largest survey company a year later and they fired everyone else that had been left. All they wanted was the tech and the customers.
Thanks for the inside view. I never knew a lot of the survey takers came from mobile games or that spending could be tracked.
Survey Monkey?
"I should base my surveys about human behavior solely on responses from non-human machines" said... someone, apparently? Damn. 💀
It's very funny they even bother to do that. Why not just lie from the beginning? Why bother building a bullshit pyramid everyone can smell??
Every LLM is a fascist propaganda machine
But people could have replied that.!
Every single answer was indistinguishable from that of a human!
Ah yes, “synthetic users.” This is being pushed at my job as well. We’re supposed to use AI to design the next feature for our website, then ask AI “users” what they think of it.
That’s not our entire vetting process - it’s supposed to replace someone just writing down an idea and saying “I think this is good.” And I agree that just firing from the hip like that is dumb. We want our product managers to do more research into their ideas before they get greenlit to be built.
The question is whether AI “synthetic users” add anything of value. The team that put this tool into service noted it has a “positivity bias,” aka “you’re absolutely right!” So we feed it an idea we think is good, and it says oh yes it’s very good.
It’s read every customer email we’ve ever received and every user research report ever conducted by our human UX researchers. But it’s still just not that useful. I think AI is very useful for summarization, searching, and collation of information, but this goes beyond that, asking AI to imagine it is a person and then come up with things to say about an entirely novel concept. And AI is not good at that.
This is hilarious. And when it inevitably doesn't work, they will have a human tweak the statistics of the "AI". The irony of it all.
This is so stupid it is hilarious. I guess the first question to the customer is what they want to know, and the second question is what they want as a result.
"According to the latest polls, Americans favor Republican policies UNANIMOUSLY!"
Are we the dumbest species alive or what? ffs
AIs are WAY smarter than half the population. This will heavily skew the results.
We achieved human level AI not by making AI better, but by making ourselves dumber
Polling has been getting increasingly worse for decades now.
Their accuracy died with the monoculture and no amount of multilevel regression and post-stratification seems to compensate for that
Their accuracy died when people like me became difficult to poll.
I don't answer phone calls from unknown callers. I delete unsolicited text messages. I throw away irrelevant junk mail without opening it. I automatically delete emails that don't come from my whitelist of approved senders. I don't answer the door for door-to-door solicitors.
How are pollsters supposed to find out about the opinions of me and people like me? It's just impossible. And I don't think I'm alone -- there's a large and growing portion of the population who are just absolutely impossible to get poll data about.
same its all old people doing it. i made the mistake of answer poll by phone during obama era, it takes like almost 30min to answer all that questioning.
In the future you won’t own anything. Even your opinion

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