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submitted 1 year ago by jackmarxist@lemmy.ml to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

Due to the severity of the situation and the fast flowing news cycle, we have decided to create a general megathread for discussion regarding the conflict.

Informal/Satirical news sources are not allowed on the main feed of the community but you are free to post them in this thread.

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[-] HMH@lemmy.ml 176 points 1 year ago

Some facts about the Gaza Strip:

  • Population: ~2.3 Million
  • Area: 365 km² (141 sq mi)
    • 41 km (25 mi) long, from 6 to 12 km (3.7 to 7.5 mi) wide
  • Population density: ~6300/km² 1

Gaza is very densely populated. In Gaza live as many people as in Houston. But Houston has an area of 1658.6 km² (640.4 sq mi). Thus Gaza has nearly five times the population density of Houston. New York City is the only city in the US with a population of more than a million and a higher population density than Gaza. 2 The tallest building in Palestine stands at 76.1 m (255 ft). 3

A little less than half of the population of Gaza is made up of children. 4

There are only three ("legal") ways in and out of Gaza:

  • Rafah Crossing into Egypt in the south
  • Kerem Shalom Crossing into Israel in the south
  • Erez Crossing into Israel in the north

Gaza has a very small port. It can only be used by small fisher boats. 5

Israel built a wall and fences around Gaza. 6

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 95 points 1 year ago

Water runs out at United Nations shelters in Gaza

Israel has cut off the flow of food, medicine, water and electricity to Gaza, pounded neighborhoods with airstrikes and told the estimated 1 million residents of the north to flee south ahead of Israel’s planned attack. The Gaza Health Ministry said more than 2,300 Palestinians have been killed since the fighting erupted last weekend.

U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan told CNN on Sunday that Israeli officials told him they had turned the water back on in southern Gaza. But the spokesman for Israel’s energy and water ministry, Adir Dahan, said it was only flowing at a single location in southern Gaza. Aid workers in Gaza said they had not yet seen evidence the water was back and a Gaza government spokesperson said it was not flowing.

Hmm! Why would the US spread Israeli misinformation? It's a mystery! 🙃

About half a million Gaza residents have taken refuge in U.N. shelters across the territory and are running out of water, said Juliette Touma, a spokesperson for the U.N.’s Palestinian refugee agency, known by the acronym UNRWA. “Gaza is running dry,” she said, adding that U.N. teams have also begun to ration water.

Touma said a quarter of a million people in Gaza moved to shelters over the past 24 hours, the majority of which are U.N. schools where “clean water has actually run out,” said Inas Hamdan, another UNRWA spokeswoman.

Across Gaza, families rationed dwindling water supplies, with many forced to drink dirty or brackish water. Many resorted to going to dirty wells and the sea, increasing the risk of dehydration, water borne diseases and more deaths.

“I am very happy that I was able to brush my teeth today, can you imagine what lengths we have reached?” said Shaima al-Farra, in Khan Younis.

Settlers are sick.

[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 year ago

Everyone knows that the UN is a Hamas front. Providing the UN with water is akin to providing Hamas with the heads of babies.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 55 points 1 year ago

Might want to add a /s tag there or something, poe's law

[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

The fact that I have to is a condemnation of this community.

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[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 70 points 1 year ago

Seems like a mistake to place the danger zone on that side of the Kerem Shalom goods crossing, but then again they left that moron Netanyahu in charge so I'm sure that's no mistake.

I heard Egypt actually warned Israel of the exact date of the initial attack and Israel still failed to react, it becomes harder every day to think this whole war wasn't the intention of Israel leadership.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

The likelihood Israel didn't know of the attack shrinks by the day.

[-] simulacra_simulacrum@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

There are a few Canadian citizens stuck in Gaza and very much in danger. I’m hoping that some solution can be found to help these people out.

[-] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 44 points 1 year ago

Are you trying to say that the Canadian citizens stuck in Gaza are somehow more special than the other citizens?

[-] simulacra_simulacrum@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes! At least they are to me as a Canadian citizen. Not more important in human terms, but definitely more of interest to me to see how Canadians in a war zone are dealt with by our government.

[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

IDF misinformation from the start of the conflict until now:

1. Hamas beheaded forty babies

Context: the reports of Hamas beheading babies came from an interview by i24 News of an IDF commander. This quickly spread through Western media outlets such as CNN, NBC, MSNBC, FOX News, the Telegraph, Daily Mail, etc. I haven't done a comprehensive sweep of who picked up the story and who didn't (and of course now it's much harder to do so because of retractions, edits, my lack of direct TV access, and SEO), but from what I can tell AP News and Al Jazeera have been relatively reliable.

Lack of evidence: 6 days ago, Anadolu (Turkish state-owned media) reported that: Israeli army says it does not have 'confirmation' about allegations that ‘Hamas beheaded babies’. This was later confirmed by other sources.

Misinformation: 5 days ago, Biden stated "I never really thought that I would see, have confirmed, pictures of terrorists beheading children,” said Biden, who described Saturday’s attack as the “deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust”. The White House later posted a retraction of this claim: "A White House spokesperson later clarified that US officials and the president have not seen pictures or confirmed such reports independently,” The Post reported on Wednesday.

2. Shani Louk, claimed to be naked, dead, and sexually assaulted

Context: images circulated online about a video purporting to show Shani Louk, a German national attending the Nova EDM festival, on the back of a truck, face-down. Claims that she appeared to be naked, dead, and sexually assaulted circulated on the same media sources discussed above.

Misinformation: given the videos we have, we know with a decent amount of certainty that the video being shown is of Shani Louk. However:

A. She's clearly not naked in the video and you can see that she is wearing black shorts as well as boots. A top is also visible (but she is face-down, so we can't see much of it). Neither her shorts nor her boots appeared to have been removed. From what I can tell, she was initially wearing a long skirt that was likely lost in the chaos.

B. Her family claims that she is alive and receiving medical attention at a hospital in Gaza, which does explain why they would be transporting her. There is visible blood on the back of her head, but she does not seem to be bleeding profusely when the video was taken.

C. I will not comment on whether or not she was sexually assaulted.

3. 260 dead Israelis at EDM festival

Context: many news sources independently verified that 260 bodies were pulled from the EDM festival. Many sources reported that this was an act of terror with no strategic objective and a massacre of innocent civilians.

Lack of context: Nova was held in Kibbutz Re'im, mere minutes from Gaza, and also mere minutes from the IDF Gaza Division's Re'im base. Tanks are clearly visible in videos leaving the festival, as are armed personnel. Hebrew-language interviews of released prisoners are providing more insight into these attacks, but I do not speak Hebrew so I will refrain from commenting on this further. Hamas has claimed that fighters were told to avoid harming or killing civilians.

Potential misinformation: Hamas claiming that fighters were told to avoid harming civilians does not mean that Hamas fighters did not harm civilians, obviously.

Potential misinformation: the reports indicate that 260 bodies were found, but their origin has not been confirmed. We know that armed personnel discharged their weapons against Hamas fighters (and vice-versa). How many of the dead are civilians, IDF, armed security, or Hamas?

Much of the media coverage on this conflict has been used to spread misinformation, even from traditionally "reliable" sources in the Western sphere. As a result, I would strongly recommend supplementing coverage of these events with those outside the Western sphere. The journalism being done is lazy.

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[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

US tells 2,000 troops to be prepared to DEPLOY to the Middle East as second aircraft carrier is moved to the Mediterranean and Israel's ground invasion of Gaza nears

I love when the US helps to deescalate a situation! I'm sure no US troops will be hit by any strikes to justify direct US intervention in this conflict.

The US is going to push us straight into a world war with their mismanagement of this conflict.

[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 25 points 1 year ago

What fucking help does Israel need for fucks sake.

[-] Joker@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago

It's about keeping Iran out of it so it doesn't escalate. Have to demonstrate a willingness to get involved while doing the diplomatic work behind the scenes to de-escalate. They are telling Israel they can have their revenge on Hamas but they need to bring things down a few notches. Don't occupy Gaza, don't starve them out, don't commit war crimes, make an effort to avoid collateral damage, etc. At the same time, they are telling Iran they don't want a wider conflict but are ready to fuck them sideways if they even think about escalating. Israel doesn't need any help fighting unless someone else piles on.

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[-] interolivary@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago

Hey, genocide is hard work! Have some empathy

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[-] deezbutts@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago

A friend of mine is volunteering for this organization. We're trying to help as IT guys but if you know anyone stranded in Israel or Gaza, or want to aid them indirectly, I thought I'd pass the link.

https://saveourallies.org/

(They've helped in other crisis scenarios as well)

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[-] vikinghoarder@infosec.pub 32 points 1 year ago

Why do Palestinians and Israelites hate each other?

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 129 points 1 year ago

Tl;dr Israel showed up and kicked Palestinians out, Palestinians want their land back. Ensue 80 years of complications

[-] Ktastic@lemmy.ml 116 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also Israel has two means of aquiring citizenship. First is having Jewish ancestry. The second and more problematic is that anyone who converts to Judaism can apply in a slower process that grants them citizenship. People who aquire citizenship can then live there and gain govt benefits that subsidize living cost, in other words, govt sanctioned stealing of Palestinian homes/land. Thats why Palestinians say they often hear settlers with Brooklyn accents. People who live in places like NYC with high costs of living are basically given the option to have much cheaper housing if they convert and forget their morals about theft.

So basically Israel recruits citizens from groups of people who have financial incentives to move there and lack a sense of humanity to turn down "free stuff stolen from destitute opressed people" and thus you build a citizenry who is totally comfortable with this Apartheid/Genocidal bullshit.

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[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's even simpler

Israel showed up and kicked the Palestinians out, those either unable to or unwilling to leave are now being subject to ethnic cleansing.

Or even simpler: Israel's sole purpose is to exterminate Palestine.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 55 points 1 year ago

Hmm, why would Palestinians hate European settlers that stole their land via the imperial edict of Britain? 🙄

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[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago

Palestinians want freedom and sovereignty, the Israeli government wants the exact opposite, and most Israeli people either support the government or don't care what happens (particularly because they get ~~free real estate~~settlements out of it).

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[-] fosho@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago

apologies for the off topic, but this thread shows as 11 hours old and I only see 7 top level comments. for a major event mega thread I expected much more and I'm wondering if I'm doing Lemmy wrong somehow?

[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 34 points 1 year ago

A number of top level comments are from hexbear and lemmygrad so maybe your instance has those blocked? That will affect how many comments you see.

[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago

lemmy.ca defederated from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, who are driving top-level comments on here. Since you can't see the top-level comments, you also can't see any discussion below.

I opposed lemmy.ca's decision to defederated from hexbear based on the perceived behaviour of hexbear users on other instances for exactly this reason: I think an instance's role is to police the actions of users posting to that instance, not to police their users' exposure to other instances.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 22 points 1 year ago

As a counterpoint, I don't mind the hexbear and lemmygrad posts being hidden from view. These people have no interest in good faith arguments and instead derail every post into irrelevant arguments filled with half-truths or outright disinformation.

Server instances deciding independently whether or not to defederate gives people the option to either use an instance where they won't see this garbage or one where they do. Sounds like a win-win to me.

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[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Lemmy version 0.19 can't come soon enough - it's going to bring more moderation tools, which should help mitigate defederation.

There's also a lack of moderators as well, which causes either overreaching or insufficient actions a lot of the time.

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[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Civilian meat grinder.

[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 24 points 1 year ago

UK Tory MP accuses politicians of being complicit in Israeli war crimes

Sorry for the Reddit link but I couldn't find an alternative source.

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[-] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-airstrikes-israel-1.6998419

So they're airstriking the south after telling everybody in the north to head south.

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[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

Is Egyptian/UN aid actually going to make it through the checkpoint? Egypt has had aid trucks parked outside for like days.

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