With that in mind, take them from the adults too lol. I know some adults who are chronically online

Yeah, but explain that to the children, especially young ones.

I do teaching, and when I set rules about not using phones during class - I put mine to the pile too. You can present the most compelling argument ever, but there's a much higher chance it's gonna reach fifth graders if you actually practice what you preach, and show the example of self-discipline, otherwise it will feel dishonest or unfair to kids, because they're kids.

Their brains are literally not fully developed. Some facets of life they're literally ill-equipped to handle and policies should reflect that.

I wonder if some of those critics are by an odd coincidence funded by phone related entities.

I agree with you that adults having smart phones is a different problem than children having smart phones.

Here's where you lose me. The critique isn't that adults are distracted. The critique is that being a role model means modeling the same behavior and showing by doing. That is the argument I see disengenuously misrepresented in this comment section again and again. That is a separate argument from adults have a problem with using their phones at inappropriate times during the work day/adults are addicted to their phones.

I can also unilaterally state that smart phones are also addictive for adults and are also bad for our mental health and well being.

The fact is, adults absolutely do have problems with staying on task and avoiding their phones during the work day. I see this in the field I work in and in other fields. This is so prevalent there are whole industries where its common to see "no mobile devices allowed in vehicles" stickers and decals on work trucks.

I’m sorry, is there a massive problem of adult teachers and staff at school being constantly glued to and distracted by their phones such that it prevents them from teaching and doing what they are otherwise there to do?

Um.... while I wish it weren't so, it does happen quite a bit, and should be taken more seriously than it is.

Critics don't want to hear that young people whose brains aren't fully developed yet have poorer impulse control than adults...

But young people whose brains aren't fully developed yet have poorer impulse control than adults.

On the "different rules for adults and students" thing... if the adults model responsible cell phone use, i.e. never in the classrooms or hallways during school hours, never "ducking out" to their car or the teachers' lounge just for B.S. doom scrolling or un-necessary calls, IMO that would be much stronger than just banning phones on-prem for kids and adults alike.

The real key: you should control your cell phone, it should not control you - same thing as so many other addiction problems. And, there will be addicts who genuinely are incapable of controlling it, and cold turkey tee-total zero usage has been shown to be the most effective answer for them - just like alcoholism, not drinking is nothing to be ashamed of, having a problem and drinking anyway is much much worse.

It's all made up to justify control

I said this before: I know schools that do not have cell phone bans yet the students simply don't use them. Its called engagement and respect, and teaching kids appropriate use.

I think considering laws like this says more about a broken education system (or lack of parenting) than a cell phone problem.

I actually would argue this is a fair comparison though. Phones are for contact with others unlike the other things you mentioned they can also be very helpful in an emergency. A teacher will want to contact their family to let them know they are safe just the same as a student would. I think that's where the real issue is. We have so many school shootings and parents want to be able to connect with their children in those situations. It may be distracting for learning but at the end of the day as a parent the school shootings are alarming and no one is doing anything about it and this makes it seem scarier from that perspective. No one is even addressing that part of it

You sound like you think people have significant 'control' over 'kids' buying and consuming cannabis, alcohol, and cigarettes, etc. ... Kids already consume cannabis and alcohol and cigarettes etc. even though you pretend you 'don't let them' (threaten them) and harrass them. Prohibition from alcohol to cannabis, for example, has not reduced consumption, but rather reduced supply, increased prices, and decreased quality. Repression tells consumers you hide value on the other side of your unilateral decree. On the other hand, instead of a facsist authoritarian totalitarian approach of repression, in comparison, an approach with education, legalization and decriminalization has reduced prevalence of consumption of drugs, including amongst kids; for example, Portugal has decriminalized all drugs (in ~2001); they offer drug consumers education and treatment instead of incarceration and difficult to verify products from difficult to verify producers and sellers in dark places. But the big billionaire homicidal dealers (Merck, Pfizer, United Health Care, etc.) have a lot of monetary incentive of polluting media messaging with muddy murky moral panics like the ones you just put your discursive hands in today. That being said, kids should indeed get education on things like the importance of paying attention in lectures, doing their homework on schedule, secure use of technology, blockading attempts of the feudalist advertising industry of manipulating their opinions, blockading big tech from literally spying on them and selling their opinions and bodies left and right, etc. Fun fact: that problem (cell phone use in course rooms where course work (e.g. lectures and note writing) should occur) has also been having widespread occurence among 'adult' students in university courses.

And the tobacco industry. And the gamling industry.

Yeah wtf? TONS of things have a set of rules for adults and kids, that’s literally what being a minor means… how is this a bad thing? Adults aren’t kids, kids aren’t adults… why should they be treated the same?

this is nonsense.

i suspected it as much. teens have been recording inappropiate behaviour by school admistrations. any statutory rape, relationship they dont want that to hit neews. before cellphones, i caught 1-2 professors/instructers using outdated or misinformed facts in bio. this probably where its good to fact check

If someone can't have their mobile device on hand because of stupid employer rules then they need to find a new job.

I get that you don't want your team distracted by mobile phone use during work hours, but saying you can't have one is idiotic. Fuck those employers.

OTOH kids need to learn that putting the device away to focus is a thing, if they can't figure it out on their own I'm not against removing the opportunity while they mature.

Things can literally go back to this with zero negative consequences. The only parents that are upset about this are the ones with deeply co-dependent relationships with their kids. My wife is a teacher and when her school briefly had kids put their phones in pouches, a lot of her students told her they felt relief from feeling like they have to check their phone constantly. This ban will help with teacher burnout too. Teachers spend a ridiculous amount of time trying to get their students to put their phones away. It should have been put into law years ago. Also, the teachers don't have time to check their phone during class, so the comment about role modeling is complete bullshit.