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Ubuntu 26.04 Allows "sudo apt install rocm" But It's Months Out-Of-Date (www.phoronix.com)
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[-] chrash0@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

there’s a world of options. this is an LTS distro. use Arch or Nix or whatever if you want the latest packages. i actually switched to NixOS because the CUDA drivers were too new on Arch, and i wanted a better way to pin versions.

or i dunno keep publicly complaining about it until someone does the work for you

[-] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

I mean, even in an LTS distro, it sure would be nice if the packages were reasonably up-to-date on the day the version was released.

[-] chrash0@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

i guess it would be nice, but packages being a few months out of date is pretty normal for Ubuntu, in my experience. i’m not sure what their testing process is like, but part of using something like Ubuntu is stability guarantees. if they felt like the couldn’t do that for newer versions for whatever reason (resource constraints, lack of downstream interest from stakeholders, etc) they’re not necessarily obligated to.

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago

2 months. lts or not, ubuntu's freeze date is and has historically been about two months before release.

if the 2 year cycle between lts is too long for someone, they don't have to stay on that ride.

[-] non_burglar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

It would be nice, but the time it takes to do the work of validating package versions for LTS candidacy is either limited or not free, so this is the acceptable compromise.

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

26.04 is brand new

[-] chrash0@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

it’s Ubuntu dawg. you get what you pay for.

[-] cravl@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago

…and you pay more for other distros?

[-] chrash0@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

just a silly turn of phrase meaning: you should know that this is what you signed up for

[-] cravl@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah I know, just making a terrible attempt at humor. 😅

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

It's brand new so they have no excuse for having such an old package version.

[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

I'd love to hear what your solution would be? They freeze everything two months out to allow for thorough testing and unless your answer to the problem is switching to a rolling release cycle (which is exactly the opposite of what its supposed to be), then I don't think there's anything to be done

This sort of distro is and always has prioritised stability over having the latest of everything and that's a good thing. I use CachyOS on my desktop but it's the absolute last thing I'd put on a server, let alone a production one.

Just use Docker if you need something newer

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

I'm very familiar with their freezing schedule. The impression I'd gotten from this thread was that the package was much more out of date.

[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

It was about 4 months out of date at code freeze from my understanding and 6 months out of date on release which is honestly better than I'd expect normally for packages in official repos

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah Resolute's feature freeze was in February so that package should be two months old

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 month ago

I didn't pay? Even if I did you got the same result, 🤣

[-] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 5 points 1 month ago

But its software freeze was a couple of months ago.

[-] Lemmchen@feddit.org 18 points 1 month ago

But It's Months Out-Of-Date

So, par for the course for Ubuntu, no?

[-] Wolf314159@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago

More like by design for an LTS release.

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I don’t think I know what rocm is 🤪

[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 12 points 1 month ago

Especially with the newer ROCm 7.2.x releases improving hardware support and other improvements. Especially with the rate of improvements to ROCm recently, it's unfortunate to see ROCm 7.1 shipped in the Ubuntu 26.04 archive.

Improvements!

But yeah, 3 months out of date for software that isn't security critical is fine. Probably just hit the feature freeze at a bad time. It still presumably works well enough for most people.

[-] Bloefz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

3 months isn't bad though. Especially since it's going to be locked out of changes so in 5 years it will be 5 years and 3 months out of date. The bigger problem with rocm is that they cut off older cards way too soon.

I bought a radeon pro vii brand new from a shop (granted it was a runout sale) and it was already cut off. It still works but not supported.

AMD can't keep complaining everyone focuses on CUDA when they don't even bother to support their own product. It supports very few cards and they get cut off way too soon.

Nvidia supports even midrange consumer cards and they keep supporting them a long time.

[-] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

Support for older cards is getting more common. Some of them are working but not officially supported but I've seen more cards entering support than leaving

[-] doodoo_wizard@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Rocmuh balls

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

this is why we are moving to packaging like flatpak.

[-] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, would much rather a package designed for my distro than a flatpak.

I recall a time where the native package on my distro wasn’t working at all, I think this was when I was using discord and tried to use Vencord on Debian 12, so I tried the flatpak version and again it did not work. I was between a rock and a hard place, do I troubleshoot what is essentially a containerized/sandboxed application or try to figure out what’s going on my host machine.

I chose the latter and eventually got it working, but now I don’t use discord so waste of my time regardless.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

if properly implemented, it shouldn't matter. much the same way android apks works in pretty much any android "distro", despite a few snags on the more aggressive manufacturer roms.

[-] excel@lemming.megumin.org 1 points 1 month ago

No, Flatpak limitations literally make it impossible to get all Discord features working. It’s not a problem with the config, it’s a design flaw of Flatpak itself.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

then it's not properly implemented yet, on either side.

i'm curious as to which ones though, what can't you do? i have everything working.

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Or this is why we are moving to a rolling-release model.

[-] IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Or this is why I'm rolling over.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Hot take: Windows handles this stuff so much better.

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 1 month ago

Apt packages used to get more updates in the past. Especially ubuntu repos. Today everything just seems to rely on Debian. Which is always lacking behind.

I don't like it either. Especially for gaming you really want the latest improvements. Or for science workloads. Or other professionals.

[-] vegetaaaaaaa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is fine as long as upstream supports a convenient way to get the latest versions of software for which you actually need latest (APT repositories)

Stable base, only explicitly allow selected unstable/bleeding edge components.

This is what I do for ROCm and a few other things which need to be constantly updated (yt-dlp). Sometimes stable-backports repositories are enough, but not always.

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[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago

Ironically, that stability is probably why AMD target Ubuntu. They don't want everything else on the bleeding edge. Just their bit.

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[-] Chaser@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

Surprise! A Debian based distro uses antique packages! Who would have seen that coming? 🙀 /s

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 1 month ago

Same with Linux mint. I don't like it. I like Linux mint a lot. I only dislike the old packages.

[-] Lemmchen@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

This only holds true if you're talking about Debian Stable, there are definitely Sid or Testing based distros for which that doesn't hold true.
See PikaOS for example.

[-] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Being old != bad. Some software is not critical in terms of cyber security. You have to assess the use case. Feels like you're screaming wolf, without knowing the package.

[-] Lemmchen@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago

For rocm, old is bad.

[-] Stupendous@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Ehh. 7.1 isnt that old. If they don't make any newer available until 28.04, then this'll just be a major baseline. It'll nice regardless just if it leads to more rocm support. The package and maintainers are in place for this to keep going every 6 months

[-] greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

The most success I had at getting rocm working was just using containers.

[-] ratatouille@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago

Will test it as soon as possible. Does someon know how compartible it is with a qemu VM ? I need some GPU abilities like Vulkan there.

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