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[-] Nougat@kbin.social 92 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

EDIT: There is no source available for this poll, or for any "Dialog Center."

An overwhelming majority of 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country's leadership.

But ... this is because of the failure of Netanyahu to prevent the attacks (among other failures), not because they think the Israeli government is treating Palestinians unjustly.

[-] lettruthout@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Yeah, this is the point I keep wondering about. What was the expectation? People only take so much injustice before snapping.

[-] explodicle@local106.com 6 points 11 months ago

They expected a few bombings now and then, mostly stopped by the good guys from movies.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 65 points 11 months ago

The only place Bibi belongs is behind bars

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 51 points 11 months ago

I'm always skeptical of articles that don't link the poll results directly. For all we know, the poll question could be something like "on a scale of 1-10, how much responsibility does such and such bear" with them counting anything a 2 and above as saying that party is to blame.

Anyone have a link to the actual poll results?

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm digging around on this, and what I am finding is sorely lacking.

Everyone is referencing a "Dialog Center poll [or survey] released Thursday," and most reporting refers back to this JPost article. Nobody links to the report. Nobody links generally to any "Dialog Center."

The only "Dialog Center" that I can find is Dialog Center International, which is described as "a Christian counter-cult organization." And its website/domain (according to Wikipedia) is not even registered.

So we have JPost referencing a poll taken by an organization which - so far as I can tell - may or may not even exist. This is propaganda.

[-] CollisionResistance@lemm.ee 43 points 11 months ago

Netanyahu has been a big fan and supporter of Hamas

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” Netanyahu told his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy"

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I suspect the political peril he's in will encourage him to take more drastic action against Gaza than he otherwise would have to get back popular opinion. Seems like he's going to level the northern half.

[-] lettruthout@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Agreed.

But wouldn't it be cheaper to just herd them all into gas chambers? /s

[-] BluJay320 16 points 11 months ago

Well they can’t go full mask off

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Because counterattacking and annexing lands from a hostile enemy territory is the same thing as genocidal mass murder against civilians? Please. The only ones attempting Genocide here is Hamas. They have been quite explicit about that, and just recently once again demonstrated their willingness to slaughter civilians. The only reason Palestine exists is because Israel is unwilling to play by the same rulebook.

[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Do you enjoy being wrong or is it just a state of mind?

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago
[-] wildncrazyguy@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I agree with your sentiment that Israel has a right to defend itself. That said, I think the reason folks are saying you’re wrong is because Israel just bombed the hell out of Gaza, which killed fighters and civilians alike.

You don’t have to call it genocide, but killing indiscriminately is a pretty thin line.

[-] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

...Palestine exists

Not according to Israel.

[-] flipht@kbin.social 30 points 11 months ago

This seems to mean they blame the government for lack of "security" before the attack, which could mean they just want more apartheid.

And "must resign after the war" is way different than "must resign." Any leader, but especially an authoritarian, would read this and say "Guess I should never end the war, then."

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

See, even the Jews get it; why don’t the Libs on Lemmy?

[-] cloud@lazysoci.al 5 points 11 months ago

Ask him politely to resign i'm sure he will consider it

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