But also, this feels like it’s pure theater
is this some "clever" ploy to get vance to either come out and say trump isn't too much of a deranged fucking psycho lunatic to serve, or that he is? what would either outcome accomplish?
if, by some incomprehensible batshit fuckery in the spacetime continuum (which, admittedly, we are in the middle of) vance agrees, who the fuck thinks having vance on your side is some kind of flex?
who the fuck thinks having vance on your side is some kind of flex?
The Vice President is the one that needs to enact the 25th amendment (along with members of the cabinet). Its not so much of wanting Vance, but wanting the Vice President. If the Vice President was a ham sandwich, I'd be looking for the sandwich's vote to enact the 25th amendment.
Trump's redeeming feature is his charisma, apparently - personally never seen it. But he's also mad. Vance is so unlikeable, so I think this is seen as an easy way to destroy MAGA.
The power behind the crown needs to be cut out first though - i.e. Stephen Miller and the Heritage Foundation. Nothing will change without taking care of this festering carbuncle.
I think it's more of a move to either link Trump and Vance or introduce some division if he doesn't agree.
The Democrats would never! How dare you! They hold the record for the longest filibuster speech AND the longest government shutdown during this presidency. Look at all they have accomplished...
Vance would never go for it before Trump's second year is over. He wants to be eligible to be elected twice.
You’re 100% correct. And getting removal via the 25th is the longest longshot ever. But it’s kinda wild that we all could die in WWIII while Vance waits for the halfway point, so he’s eligible to be elected twice, even though he’s so uncharismatic he’s never getting elected once.
George W. Bush was elected twice. Just saying...
Bush was elected (the second time) because he had actual charisma, people said they could see themselves sharing a beer with him.
Yeah, although W is like a million times more charming than Vance. And I say this as someone who HATES W.
Also, he barely got in the 1st time (you could argue that he didn’t actually win) and then 911 happened in his 1st term, so at that point, we were cooked. I would still argue that even a 911 type event wouldn’t be enough to get Vance elected cuz he’s just so deeply unlikeable.
I agree he's very unlikable. I was mostly making a joke. I think Tucker Carlson is the much more likely winner in 2028. And, if the Democrats run anyone to the right of Mamdani, Tucker will absolutely win.
True, but Vance is even less charismatic.
and hes deeply closeted, so hes not really open with himself
thiel would be very angry with vance if he was removed before his time, after thiel spent so much resources propping him up, hes expecting a ROI.
This is just optics - Congress already has impeachment as an option. If they can't get that going they'll never get close to a 25th amendment.
A 25th amendment action is arguably much easier. You only need a majority vote of the cabinet secretaries.
Nobody reads anymore.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv
You still need Congress.And you need the president's most loyal hand selected cabinet members.
I'm well aware that all of that is necessary to make the removal permanent. My point was that in order to get things moving, all it takes is a simple majority vote of a small number of people, which is much easier to accomplish than even getting a vote on articles of impeachment in the House. Which then, at best, kicks off a months-long process that might lead to removal, but would much more likely go nowhere. If they could show that even his cabinet has lost faith, it might even be much easier to convince congress that making the removal permanent is in their best interests, and it doesn't even require a lengthy trial.
uh... no...
The bill, submitted by Raskin, specifically calls for a commission NOT led by Vance.
The 25th Amendment originally called for the formation of an independent council of both politicians and medical professionals to assess the President's competence in the case of emergency, yet, when the Amendment was passed, the Council was never formed. Several attempts to form the council have been made, but have failed. Another is being made now.
In the place of this Council, the Presidential Cabinet serves its role, led by the Vice President. The biggest problem with this is, unlike the 25th Amendment Council, there is no Congressional oversight.
Can Vance be added to the impeachment too?
Yup, let's go with the guy that says UFOs are demons. Good idea.
My hairbrained theory is that Vance and the cabinet know that they need to invoke the 25th, but they're waiting until after Trump's 2nd term is 2 years in.
Reasoning: As VP, Vance would replace Trump (that's just how the system works), ...and... If Vance finishes out less than 2 years of Trump's term, then he's eligible to run for reelection in the next 2 elections, for a total of 10 whole years.
Combine that with how rigged the system already is in favor of Republicans, and how much they're trying to beef up the rigging, they're probably confident that they can actually get the full 10 years.
Add 10 more years of further rigging the system and they'll be locked in permanently.
So, put January 6th, 2027 on your calendar. If they can keep Trump from completely imploding until then, and if I'm right, the days and weeks after that are going to be interesting.
The enemy of my enemy, I suppose
you dont handwave, ACT.
This really is the worst timeline. Remember on January 1st at 12:01 AM when there was a small glimpse of hope this year wasn’t going to be as bad as last. That was a good couple of minutes
The last time I had that feeling over new years’ mourning was like 2017-18, when I first started smoking. I decided to stop lying to myself back then.
Making it contingent on Vance's cooperation is a good way to kill it from step 0. Pure theater. Invoking the 25th need not require anything of Vance.
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