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[-] tgf@lemmy.world 221 points 1 month ago

"The process starts with old batteries being separated and burned to strip away non-metal components. What's left gets crushed into something called black mass. This is essentially a powder packed with recoverable metals. From there, a water-based chemical treatment called hydrometallurgy pulls the lithium out. One clever distinction in this new process is that the recovered lithium hydroxide actually replaces a chemical traditionally used during refining. This cuts the carbon footprint by about 40% compared to older methods."

Article also said that previous methods got about 45% of the lithium from recycling.

[-] renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone 81 points 1 month ago

seems like a significant breakthrough

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[-] prole 56 points 1 month ago
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[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 115 points 1 month ago

Jerry Rigs Everything Video about lithium recycling to black mass.

Recycled lithium uses 70% less energy than virgin freshly mined lithium, and lithium, like aluminum, in infinitely recyclable.

Assholes like Jeremy Clarkson don't get this.

[-] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Jeremy Clarkson rims goats. Fuckin tail-lifter.

[-] null@lemmy.org 18 points 1 month ago
[-] UndergroundParking@lemmy.cafe 34 points 1 month ago

Nothing. Lemmy being edgy teens.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 6 points 1 month ago

Edgy leftist teens in particular

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[-] northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 105 points 1 month ago

Ok it needs to be said. The smart play is to have governments to subsidize this process and build up the raw inventory for lithium. That way, ie (US) could have tons and tons of raw lithium without having to mine it.

[-] besmtt@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

Wouldn't it be smarter to use old EV batteries for grid storage?

[-] FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 month ago

Why not both? Downcycle the old EV batteries for grid storage, then when they reach the end of useful life, recycle them. We need to resurrect the first 2 R's (Reduce, Reuse) to be able to survive on this planet.

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

They are listed in order of importance.. reduce first, if you can't, then reuse. If you can't reuse, then recycle.

Problem is, we saw "recycle" and thougt "infinite resources" and ditched the other two.. turns out that most things cant really be recycled, so now it's just landfill all the way

[-] FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

I wish I could remember where I read it, but the focus on just Recycle was encouraged as the main narrative by corporations which didn't want to give up the myth of endless growth.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

Not if they are not holding energy any more.

[-] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 month ago

That's great and all, but not all batteries need lithium. When another battery technology gets mature enough to surpass lithium based batteries, then we'll still be stuck on old tech cause the government is subsiding it.

This also reduces the incentive for making more lithium efficient batteries.

Subsidies can help, but they need to be more generalized so they don't create issues moving past current tech. Heck, look at how much trouble we're having getting past oil, that's a perfect example.

[-] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Under modern physics, Lithium is pretty much the best possible chemical to build batteries out of. Anything else that might be better won't be a chemical battery, and it's not like there's any reason to suspect some new magic thing will be created like a pocket-size fusion reactor that will make chemical batteries totally obsolete any time soon. Decades more of lithium batteries being relevant are as close to guaranteed as can be.

[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 13 points 1 month ago

Lithium is pretty much the best possible chemical to build batteries out of.

Depends on how you define "best". Likely the highest possible short-term energy density, yes, but that isn't the only thing we might want out of a battery. "Doesn't catch fire" is one of the areas where the highest-energy lithium battery chemistries are far from the best, for instance.

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[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Lithium is pretty much the best possible chemical to build batteries out of.

Nickel iron batteries, while heavier and less energy dense have virtually infinite lifespan. As such it is a far better battery for home power walls than lithium.

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[-] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

Kickstarting new infrastructure is one place government money tends to work well. You can always phase out the subsidies and there is an argument that battery tech benefited from a feedback loop (used in phones until infra and tech was cheap enough for cars+) and something needs to kickstart that for their recycling, government stepping in to start that loop isn't uncommon or as terrible as you seem to be making it out

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[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago

We recover 99% of lead from car batteries. The same lead is used over and over.

[-] BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Lead is much easier to purify than lithium.

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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 78 points 1 month ago

You know what the richest ore for finding metals for new batteries is? Old batteries. Same applies to solar panels. This is great to see.

Yeah ive played rimworld too.

[-] Geobloke@aussie.zone 9 points 1 month ago

I believe 10% of a lithium battery is lithium. I mean, it's impressive and I love a closed loop for the life of any component, but this doesn't really solve our need for more lithium. Reduce it yes, but not end the requirement for more extraction

[-] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 15 points 1 month ago

But I presume a new battery also only need 10% lithium?

[-] Vetis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

Right, I don't understand their point. Recycling 90% of a battery is still 90% of a new battery.

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It also assumes that we'd still using the same amount of lithium when we get to a point that it's not so cheap they put it in disposable cigarettes.

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[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Any metal in a car needs mining and extraction.

You would not believe how inefficient mining is for platinum and rhodium in ICE catalytic convertors. The oil and gas industry has really drilled into the heads of people that lithium is evil.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Also for aluminum it’s cheaper to recycle aluminum than to produce it from raw ore.

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[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

big oil's about to start yet another denialism campaigh

[-] sonofearth@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I just want the fucking oil mafia to burn at sun’s temperature. They are such a fucking obstacle and disgrace to humanity’s development. Same goes for the big pharma. All the suffering just because of greed for a piece of paper with £/₹/$/€ on it.

Ok angry rant over.

[-] foggianism@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Capitalism rewards profit. Imagine basing all aspects of life on profit making. Of course human needs, interests, environment health etc. take up a side-role in such a system.

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[-] TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 month ago

Oil companies are today what the Catholic church were to science in the middle ages.

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

is it a rant if you're just stating facts?

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[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

Lithium recycling has never been the problem. The problem is most EVs are new, and people aren't buying enough of them, so there isn't enough capacity of old batteries in the system yet for business to profit from building the plants to do the recycling. And now some stupid orange asshole has been sabotaging production, so we're not going to hit that tipping point for decades.

[-] Canigou@jlai.lu 18 points 1 month ago

In the USA. Us Europeans are happily treading toward carbon neutrality, even more since the cheetos' fun war with Iran.

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[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

tl;dr:

Rub them on a big piece of carpet.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 8 points 1 month ago

But aren't used batteries perfect for grid energy storage?

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[-] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

"But but but! What about landfills? What lame excuse will I make up now that my delusions about batteries filling up landfills has been exposed?" 😭 🫏

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[-] rockSlayer 6 points 1 month ago

This is still good and should be looked at seriously to recover the lithium already in circulation, but I can't help but feel like this is coming at the end of lithium as a battery material. Sodium batteries seem posed to supplant it in the near future.

[-] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Sodium batteries aren't seriously expected by anyone to supplant Lithium ones. The two things Sodium can theoretically do better than Lithium are being cheaper as a raw material, and working well at low temperatures, but it's always going to be heavier and larger for a given capacity. Most applications for batteries care about their size and weight, and so the extra cost of Lithium will be worth paying.

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