The top-one is soc-dems. Liberals are more like "👏 More 👏 black 👏 women 👏 CEOs!" and "👏 They 👏 go 👏 low 👏 we 👏 go 👏 high!", sometimes even "Obama proves that real christians see secularism as a christian value, because «love thy neighbor», we need a second Obama instead of meaningfully fighting the dominionist cult!".
Me: No one should work.
People should do stuff, but the paradigm of 'work' is fucked.
People do stuff all the time. But being forced to look at clocks and wear pants is inhumane.
More the insane authoritarian inefficiencies. Clocks are useful for some stuff. I would rather my fire fighters wore pants. On the job at least. Probably my chefs. I think id rather my programmers stuck to skirts shorter than their dicks and fur suits, but thats purely a selfish desire for working computer.
me: no one should HAVE to work. I feel like people would still do stuff even if they didn't have to. they'd just do LESS of it.
Forbidden to work. Only allowed to stare into the distance. But not too hard
That's already good if it's followed with the clause, 'to escape poverty or an equivalent disadvantaged situation in a society.'
You don't have to be wealthy, but all basic needs should be provided along with the means of finding employment that satiates a person. Granted, some people do still need intervention but not from a sterile or disconnected environment but from a community that is willing to engage with them.
I would like to quit living in poverty where can I sign?
With your local communist party. No guarantees, but the current system definitely won't get you there.
Gosh darn
The next line should read
Liberals: "You're not who I'm trying to convince."
Followed by
Leftists: “We’re trying to convince you”
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. There will always be a more ideal goal. If you refuse to work towards something that's actually achievable because you want more, well, that's why leftists fight each other more than fighting the fascists that have taken over the usa and are well on the way to taking over the rest of the world too.
The issue is that we aren't asking for perfect. We are asking for the bare minimum.
Liberal and neoliberalist politics are not progress. They are regressive holding actions of the capitalist state that gives meager concessions to pacify any revolutionary action as they continue to consolidate power until they can impose their fascist rule later down the line.
Liberalism and Neoliberalism, fundamentally being a capitalist Imperialist ideology, intrinsically enables fascism to exist and acquire power.
You are trying to say that one step forward and two steps back is forward progress.
Don’t let lesser be the enemy of what’s right. There will always be liberals seeking compromise on the right thing, and they’re wrong. That’s why the left fights and resists these right wing half measures.
Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil. Just because they're not as bad doesn't mean they aren't just as unpalatable to leftists.
This seems utopian, akin to one saying "participating in wage labour empowers capitalists - working most jobs is still evil".
What is the point of such abstract declarations? I'm an anti-capitalist because I want to improve the world, not to be "good" or "correct" or some other philosophical purity; "the point is to change it".
Then let's vote for good! there's dozens of us!
How many people are voting? oh.
If there's so few leftists it doesn't matter, why blame them, hrm? Oh, it's virtue signalling for the Democrats screwing up the election and for their winning strategy of going for the former MAGA vote? Well damn, you convinced me!
The constitutional right to basic living necessities; food, water, shelter, and medical treatment. Capitalism would still be there, but anyone could fall back on these "minimums" whenever they wanted ... no questions asked.
Is that "left of leftist"?
"Left-Right" isn't really a cohesive model of politics, but it's a hard sell for any form of capitalism to be considered left of socialist economics. Like PugJesus said, you've generally described modern social democracy (not to be confused with democratic socialism). It's an improvement, but still a long way away from 'left of left'.
what do you call me then, who thinks that money is a scam and we don't need it?
An anarchist?
Everyone conscious has the ability to preform some type of labor so…. Let’s just skip this stupid argument and just say UBI.
UBI keeps capitalism and thus inequality. It’s a zero sum game where people’s wealth will flow towards the rich, enabling them in future to amass power to undo UBI and repeat the mistakes we have now.
Better solution is to ditch currency and focus on meeting people’s wellbeing needs directly.
You can’t ditch currency. Currency isn’t some grand invention of the state. It’s the direct result of beings valuing things at different amounts at different times. Technically current is using any stand in to ease the trade barrier but colloquially some people use love as a currency. Many kinds of social animals trade and what they trade could be deemed currency.
You can 100% ditch currency, you don’t not need a trade or barter based system. Humans have been operating on a gift economy model for hundreds of thousands of years, currency and trading is a blip in our history.
People are capable of supporting each other without profit incentives.
So let's say I really want to investigate superconducting magnets, because I really like that field and want to do research. I need processed rare earth products that only exist on the other side of the globe.
In your gift economy, how would I proceed to acquire those?
I suspect these policies often assume that either we live in startrek or we’re back to the woods and have no need for superconducting magnets :-/
Liberals; no one working 40 hours a week should live in poverty, bit what are you gonna do?
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