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The next line should read
Liberals: "You're not who I'm trying to convince."
Followed by
Leftists: “We’re trying to convince you”
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. There will always be a more ideal goal. If you refuse to work towards something that's actually achievable because you want more, well, that's why leftists fight each other more than fighting the fascists that have taken over the usa and are well on the way to taking over the rest of the world too.
The issue is that we aren't asking for perfect. We are asking for the bare minimum.
Liberal and neoliberalist politics are not progress. They are regressive holding actions of the capitalist state that gives meager concessions to pacify any revolutionary action as they continue to consolidate power until they can impose their fascist rule later down the line.
Liberalism and Neoliberalism, fundamentally being a capitalist Imperialist ideology, intrinsically enables fascism to exist and acquire power.
You are trying to say that one step forward and two steps back is forward progress.
Don’t let lesser be the enemy of what’s right. There will always be liberals seeking compromise on the right thing, and they’re wrong. That’s why the left fights and resists these right wing half measures.
I'll take what I can get.
And this is the hard part for most people: I don't stop there, because I've achieved goal 1 of 99 and the road is long and hard and where is everyone going
Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil. Just because they're not as bad doesn't mean they aren't just as unpalatable to leftists.
This seems utopian, akin to one saying "participating in wage labour empowers capitalists - working most jobs is still evil".
What is the point of such abstract declarations? I'm an anti-capitalist because I want to improve the world, not to be "good" or "correct" or some other philosophical purity; "the point is to change it".
Then let's vote for good! there's dozens of us!
How many people are voting? oh.
If there's so few leftists it doesn't matter, why blame them, hrm? Oh, it's virtue signalling for the Democrats screwing up the election and for their winning strategy of going for the former MAGA vote? Well damn, you convinced me!
because if there's one thing leftists are good at, aside from infighting of course, it's convincing people not to vote.
And there's one good thing neo-liberal chuds do, is be only slightly better than MAGA.
Good isn't on the ballot.
Let's have a moment of silent gratitude for all those US leftists who preserved their personal sense of moral superiority by not voting or voting third party in the 2024 election. Where would we be without them?
Evidentially nowhere because the Dems when leftist vote for them shout they weren't needed and proceed to not pass anything. But keep on compromising your morals and values for the lesser evil, I'm SURE that'll win them over in the end.
Your interlocutor isn't compromising anything. They got 100% of what they wanted from every candidate in the race.
Biden-era Democrats: passing child cash payments, drug-price negotiation, insulin caps, the biggest climate bill in US history, and the biggest federal gun-safety law in decades. With a 50-50 Senate and an obstructionist opposition.
Obama-era Democrats: passing ACA, Fair Sentencing Act, Dodd Frank, creating CFPB, etc. With only like 70 days of having 60 votes in the senate.
Leftists: dems pass nothing.
Question for you: do you think Palestinians should thank you for rejecting imperfect Democrats and helping to hand the presidency, house and senate to the party whose members openly support fewer restrictions on Israel?
But keep rejecting them to preserve your sense of superiority, I'm SURE that'll help the most vulnerable more than keeping Republicans out of power.
Stop framing genocide supporters as good.