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As The Intercept pointed out this week, this is Israel's 9/11 in that it is a horrific event they didn't see coming, but when you stop to look at the powder keg they created, they absolutely should have.
And just like 9/11, they were warned of the attack weeks in advance but were still woefully unprepared to protect their citizens.
I'm worried that they DID know, and are using this as an excuse to further their agenda against Palestinians.
With the Netanyahu government, that's the more plausible explanation.
Well, it worked in the US /s
Well, it really did work in the US. This is literally what happened at Pearl Harbor.
Roosevelt knew the attack was coming, very much so, our intelligence was good. But he needed the attack to happen, so he let it happen.
At the time, Europe was at war and our allies desperately needed help, but the US had been dragging it's heels about getting involved for years. Roosevelt wanted to enter the war and support our allies, but congress just didn't want to make the official declaration of war. But after the attack on Pearl harbor, that declaration came in short order, just as Roosevelt knew it would.
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That’s sadly a possibility.
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It's not that easy. There is constant information coming in all the time and intelligent agents need to parse signal from noise. It's not every single bit of intelligence regarding an attack comes into fruition. In fact, it's quite the opposite. This is an extremely difficult signal detection problem, one with lives at stake.
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when you stop to look at the powder keg they created
Wait until you expand it by a few more years:
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Hamas is a death cult openly using human shields, so no surprise really.
It also has to be noted that a huge element behind low Israeli casualties is the Iron Dome.
If you plotted a chart of attempted civilian deaths, you'd get a very very different picture. Personally, I'm not meaningfully less upset at someone who tries to murder me just because they don't succeed.
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That doesn't really mean much to Americans. Christianity is a death cult.
Hamas is Jihadist and extremist. It would have been a fatal mistake for Israel to support them to undermine the secular movement for a free palestine. Trying to position Hamas between international support and the palestinian people sounds like a really cynical and bad idea.
There is no way the hard right in Israel would ever pursue such an agenda.right?
Lol human shields stupidest shit I’ve ever heard
What do you think the hostages they took were for? Aside from later rape after they were tired from all the initial raping and pillaging.
Palestinian militants take IDF soldiers captive so they can exchange them for their own that are being held captive in Israel.
Still way too one sided against Israel
Damn this is going to still be going on in 2121?
Israel will almost certainly have wrapped up their genocide long before that.
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On this chart, where is the line showing babies and children beheading?
Before we just dig in and point fingers, maybe we can get on the same page? Nobody is saying murdering babies is ok, as others pointed out, that has not been substantiated. Assuming we're all against murdering innocent people, the point of the chart/linked article, is to understand the circumstances that make a powder keg for violence.
Think of it this way: pointing out that having a table full of wood shavings and gasoline out in the sun is likely to cause a fire is NOT pro-fire or justifying fire; it's pointing out the conditions that foster the growth of fire because you want less fire to exist in the world.
Considering that I haven't seen any substantiation for those claims, it's properly charted already at 0.
Phew. I'm so glad to hear Hamas draws the line at murdering, raping, kidnapping and using human shields. I was really worried they were the bad guys.
Did we look at the same graph? Can you truly say these attacks caused more suffering? Who murdered more innocent children (considering the demographics of Gaza and the indiscriminate nature of Israels bombings in the past)?
I don't think anyone is innocent here, but if i had to blame someone, it'd be the oppressor, not the opressed.
You legit looked at this graph, ignored ALL of it, and still went "Hamas bad".
Why are you here if you're not going to even try to understand the situation?
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The truth is rarely so convenient
I always think to myself "No one could possibly believe such blatant propaganda" and then i read comments like these. Why behead them? Why don't you behead the adults? Do you carry a dedicated baby knife for that?
It's not like they'd be innocent without beheading babies... But i guess dehumanizing them like this makes it easier to justify the atrocities that are sure to be commited as a reaction to this.
It kinda makes me wonder how much of the things i assume to be true are the product of propaganda aswell.
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You mean the made up babies that everyone who claimed they existed are now backpedaling on?
It's not on the chart. Not only did it not happen prior to the current October 2023 war (as it clearly states in the title of the graph and the post), it didn't happen at all.
What did happen is the overwhelming murder and maiming of innocent civilians who have no way to defend themselves, against one of the most powerful nations on the planet.
It's not that hard to read fam.
The title of the chart clearly states prior to the Oct 2022 war. So ..
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Check your axes. You have 2x 25,000s. I genuinely want to know how on someone can create a chart with this kind of error these days. Surely you’re not adding axis labels with a graphics tool after the initial generation. Right?
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Edit: if any of the downvoters would take a moment to reply letting me know what they think I meant by this comment that would be much appreciated. Frankly, I’m a bit lost.
I think that the downvotes come from a place of not understanding what this comment tries to imply, hence not adding anything to the conversation.
For example. Someone can read this and think "Context matters, so that's why Hamas did what they did, and what they did is fine and I stand with them"
Another person could read "Context matters, it doesn't matter what Isarael did before, Hamas still did something unforgivable and Israel is still right and I stand with them"
Ultimately, at least for me, it's hard to see what you're trying to say with this comment, especially when the situation is so nuanced. At least that's how I saw it.
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15 years is a woefully short time frame to look at in a conflict that goes back hundreds if not thousands of years...
it's not in timeframe of millennia.
do you think the recent conflict can tracked back to biblical times when prophet Moses lived?
so many things happened in that region, that includes there was a peace in that region for a time to time.
the recent conflict can be tracked at WW I, when British Empire take over that region from Ottoman Empire and they drew the lines and promised two ethnic groups of the same region.
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