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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 81 points 1 month ago

He didn't. Up until the time of Paul (decades after the Jdog's death), Christianity was a Jewish sect seeking to become mainstream Judaism. It was only then that early Christians shed their Jewish identity.

That's in the story, but in the History, Christianity arose from Greece and Rome, not Judea. It was never a Semitic religion. Instead borrowing elements of that combined with Paganism.

Either way, a Historic Jesus would have died a Jew. The mythological Jesus may do whatever and I'm aware of Christians who'll deny he was ever a Jew.

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He wasn't, there was no such thing at the time and he refers to himself as a Jew in the bible. Christianity wasn't named until after.

[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

When did Metallica become Metallica fans?

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

They probably were fans of themselves at some point. Why crank out decades of albums you can't stand.

That being said, I think even Metallica quit being Metallica fans at some point before St. Anger

[-] Aitolda@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Just occurred to me that I don't think I've heard anything new from them since St. Anger.

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[-] prole 2 points 1 month ago

Lars is definitely a fan of himself

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[-] troed@fedia.io 25 points 1 month ago

Never - he was a Jewish prophet. Christianity was invented by Paulus.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 3 points 1 month ago

Why did a jewish prophet become the spokesperson for a different religion?

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 25 points 1 month ago

Because his followers created the religion based off of his teachings. After he died.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 3 points 1 month ago

He wasn't a very good jewish prophet if his teachings made people not want to be jewish.

[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

I think you need to understand that nobody here is provoked by this and people are genuinely trying to help you understand what you are asking about. Because you come off as attempting to be an edgy troll and failing miserably.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Arguably they didn't. The modern trappings of Christianity were invented out of the whole cloth from Paul of Tarsus, when he had a "vision" of Jesus conveniently not seen by anyone else purportedly while he was traveling on the road to Damascus. Notably, all of this went down some decades after big J's death.

It was Paul who discarded the bulk of the Jewish stuff, either out of desire to make it more palatable to his Roman peers or, possibly, simply because he was a raving nut. Paul was a self-described persecutor of the existing Christians, so he would have been in a pretty good position to know what their beliefs were to use as a starting point.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 3 points 1 month ago

Paul hated christians so he invented christianity?

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

As he told it, Paul hated Christians and then had a vision of Jesus who told him off about it, and then he had a big change of heart and invented (modern) Christianity.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 3 points 1 month ago

That's wild I'm just reading the wiki link you provided.

[-] redsand@infosec.pub 10 points 1 month ago

Mohammed did the same thing. It's how many religions branch off.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wait could you explain that one more?

I read his biography before and explicitly remember him becoming a Muslim at 40.

Before that he was either hanif or agnostic depending on sources but I don't remember him following Judaism.

[-] redsand@infosec.pub 4 points 1 month ago

I'm gonna send you to Religion for Breakfast and Useful Charts on YouTube. I don't remember this well enough offhand

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[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

He didn't. He is still the Jewish prophet for the Jewish cult offshoot that was then a branch of Judaism and is now called Christianity. Original christians are really Jews with some extra lore on top. But people are people and people are tribal and they need someone band against together, so now we have a plethora of different abrahamic religions that are all pissy and nasty against each other.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

It was convenient. Him being already dead, he couldn't get in the way.

[-] Mohamed@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago

This is a semantic argument. I say that Jesus is not a Christian, because Christians are those who follow Christ.

I think that Jesus is a Jewish reformist.

[-] daychilde@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

I grew up a fundamentalist Southern Baptist. In my late teens I started to question. One of the things that helped me drop Christianity was the thought process trying to answer: Who was the first Jew who died and went to hell because they didn't accept Jesus as their saviour?

Because biblically, the Jews were the Chosen People, right? So if you were Jewish, you went to heaven. But according to Christians, you have to accept Jesus now.

So when did that happen, exactly? When was it that the last Jew died and went to heaven, and the next Jew died and went to hell?

[-] prole 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For me it was hearing sermons on, and then reading for myself, the Book of Job.

Just awful shit.

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[-] Goldholz 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'd say jesus never was christian. His followers were a jewish sect. In 70 CE with the temple of jerusalem destroyed it evolved into gnostic christians, paulician christians and jewish christians.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

gnostic faith has quite interesting ideas, it kind of makes a lot of sense too imo. its also a bit concerning about some things. I also heard it would have been the mainline christianity at some point but then something happened and it was branded heresy and we got the current one instead.

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[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago
[-] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

yeah, the trappings of a death cult didn't sit well with him, plus the whole cross thing was a real turn off. Imagine if a guillotine had killed you and you come back to see a religion spring up using guillotines as their symbol

[-] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 9 points 1 month ago

That's kind of like asking 'when did Rogue become a rogue-like?'

[-] stepan@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 month ago

he's not a christian yet, but i'm pretty sure i'll be able to convince him before the end of this year

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Once he believed he was the son of god, I guess.

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[-] uenticx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He wasn't. His death was the birth of it around 30-33CE. They were still considered of Jews of Judea but followed the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, and that's how it's referenced in the bible until later revisions.

It was a sect of Judaism until re-written as Christianity.

[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I don't know but you could probably figure it out by looking at the paintings and other artwork to see when he started wearing a cross.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

The same time God became Jewish

[-] erusuoyera@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

This raises an interesting question. If god is omnipotent, could he give himself a bris? Or is the end of his dick not all-powerful?

[-] Goldholz 3 points 1 month ago

God is all knowing. So he knows how great it feels to take dick

[-] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago

when did jesus become a christian?

in a world where dictionary meanings are peak: didn't happen if you consider Jesus as "christ"

a "christ" cannot be a "christ-like".

however, a lot of people have their own meaning of "christian" and could be a point of confusion. e.g., Paula White's "christian" is an oldie-timey version of customs when Jesus wasn't even born yet.

[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

He never converted to Christianity, he started a religious movement that eventually evolved and, long after his death, came to be named Christianity

[-] Aeao@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I don’t think he “converted” like that.

You know how the Queen of England never had a drivers license or passport because she’s the one who issues them and it would be silly to give yourself your own passport.

Jesus didn’t convert to Christianity . He was Christianity. It formed around him he didn’t convert.

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

At the moment of conception when the roman soldier raped her I guess.

[-] RockBottom@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

Like with all religions in general, his parents decided.

[-] MissJinx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Why the eagles didn't just take the ring to mordor?

answers we will never know because the author is dead

[-] RotatingParts@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

When he read a self help book that said you have to believe in yourself. Guess he took it too far. :)

[-] RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago
[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

He never existed. He is a figment of a religious groups imagination. He is a fictitious character based on ideas of what a religion needs as a figurehead.

[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's incorrect. Virtually all scholars agree that Jesus was a real historical figure, based on many non-religious sources.

Of course most of the stories about him are made up, but the scientific consensus is that he existed.

[-] Aitolda@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Could also be an amalgamation of multiple people of a particular movement or philosophy. This happens a lot when you adapt a book to a movie, for example and you end up with characters that are a combination of characters from the original text.

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[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 1 month ago

Esoterica channel on YouTube has a merkavah series you may find helpful. It's about 10 episodes so I don't recall exactly which addresses it, though.

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