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An analysis from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive (ATF) could not conclusively connect a bullet fragment recovered during Charlie Kirk’s autopsy to the rifle found near the scene of the rightwing political activist’s killing – and the FBI is running additional tests, lawyers for Kirk’s accused murderer said in recent court filings.

In the court filings, Tyler Robinson’s defense team also asked for a delay to a preliminary hearing scheduled in May, saying they need time to review the bullet analysis as well as an enormous amount of other material that could contribute to the suspect’s defense.

The ATF’s bullet analysis report has been kept private, but attorneys have cited snippets in other public filings that say the results were inconclusive.

The defense said in its motion that it may try to use the analysis to clear Robinson of blame during the preliminary hearing while prosecutors aim to show they have enough evidence against him to proceed with a trial.

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[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 197 points 1 week ago

I have read somewhere that the whole "bullet forensics" process is mostly pseudoscience anyway. A quick search found this article:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-field-of-firearms-forensics-is-flawed/

If a shell casing wasn't ejected on the scene (like with a bolt-action not cycled) then all they would have to analyze is the what's-left-of-bullet which is possibly just a mess of lead and copper. May or may not have rifling marks left on it

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Same with fingerprinting and blood spatter analysis. There is very little within the field of forensics that is backed by science. Fingerprints are not admissible evidence in many courts.

[-] gdog05@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"We're 100% certain the one responsible for destroying the eucalyptus bush is either you or this koala. Why don't you just admit it now and save yourself some trouble?"

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[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago

And even if it does, they'll be so mangled as to be useless. Like you could say "ok the rifle has four grooves at 1:8” but you've got a fraction of a bullet that was squished into an entirely different shape on impact.

[-] homes@piefed.world 7 points 1 week ago

They have a sort of computer-aided 3-D reconstruction process, but that’s pretty sketchy, too.

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

"I asked ChatGPT and it said that gun fired the bullet."

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[-] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago

Bullet tracing is mostly a TV fiction. This headline is just the natural state of things.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 week ago

Especially for 5.56/.223 where one of the major selling points is the cavitation it causes in soft tissue. "cavitation" being a polite term for "makes fucking explode".

Its why actual footage of mass shootings is so horrifying. Media (and video games that glorify it...) like to paint it as neat little holes when the reality is you have one neat little hole for the entrance wound and a giant fist sized one or larger for the exit.

And all of that does a number on the bullet itself.

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[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The whole bullet gun fingerprint thing is total bullshit, but it’s not completely impossible to determine caliber depending on the size of the fragment which could rule out a specific firearm.

Edit: I dont fucking trust the forensic analyst either and the article stated there were few specifics. I agree with you but just wanted to point out that it is feasible to rule out some things

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[-] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

Charlie Kirk’s killing was an inside job. Where was Erika? Where was Trump? Where are the Epstein files?

[-] El_Scapacabra@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 week ago

Erika and J.D. sitting in a tree S.N.I.P.I.N.G.

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[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago

So when do we get the evidence that this kid wasn't involved, and is an AIPAC plant?

[-] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

In a foreign-made documentary that’ll drop in about 30 years.

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[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

Never. That is what it was though. Something similar to that anyway. We should all know it, but plenty on "the left" here silence questioning the obviously false on at least three points fbi information, officially because some on the right also questioned that evidence and therefore they are opposite of that.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Look at my username. I'm pretty damn far left. There are idiots everywhere, to misquote Mel Brooks, "We're all surrounded by assholes."

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago

Every high profile murder that happens from now on will be conspiracy-theoried to death. Articles like this fuel it. I think it often makes sense to doubt the story we're told. But many Lemmy users for example, are not "doubting". They "know" what happened.

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[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Must have been a second shooter on the grassy knoll.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

No, his neck just does that.

[-] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Acne pimples gone wild.

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[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago

This story stinks, totally impossible story by the fbi on three counts at least. No shit they didn't release the ballistics results, because that rifle would've made a very different more dramatic wound than whatever hit kirk.

[-] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I found it interesting that after Joe Kent resigned from being Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, he went on the record to say that the FBI prevented them from investigating any foreign links to the Kirk assassination.

Edit: also, if anyone hasn't seen this comedy bit on the assassination, it's worth a watch.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

Yep.

So many idiots here in this thread haven't been following this story at all, they known nothing about the autopsy results.

There's no way a 30-06 from the range and angle that Robinson was at... makes the wounds Kirk's body had.

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[-] fishy@lemmy.today 8 points 1 week ago

Between this and the fake assassination attempt on Trump I'm convinced we need to just throw away the CIA and FBI.

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[-] GameOverFlow@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago

Can Kirk fuel meld Trumps beam?

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 18 points 1 week ago

erika grifting kirk already forgiven tyler.

[-] DERRALEXANO@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

Nah she forgave the killer (not TR)

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Can't wait for the 2nd shooter theories. Didn't Kirk's head jerk back, and to the left?

[-] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

It was spontaneously created by the Almighty. You didn't need proof of the bullet's firing. You just need strong enough belief. If God came down and snatched the bullet from Trump's ear, he also placed this one.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

If the bullet doesn't fit, you must acquit.

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Can we compare it to IDF rifles next?

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[-] BigTuffAl@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago

Bullet analysis is circumstantial and pseudosciencey anyway so the fact they couldn't get that in their favor is kind of weird.

[-] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 12 points 1 week ago

If you’re going to report on bullet analysis, you need to also report on the evolution of the science. Which is to say, the way we understand bullet analysis from a show like CSI or something is incorrect. Bullets simply can’t be linked to firearms like fingerprints can be linked to people.

The way I understand the science is that bullet analysis tells us if a bullet is from a family of guns, not a specific gun like it was used in the past. Bullet analysis and be used to rule out a weapon, not to directly tie one to a crime. This article doesn’t tell us the gun was eliminated like it suggests.

[-] BigMacHole@thelemmy.club 11 points 1 week ago

This is NOT Proof of anything at All!

-Pizzagate believers who call Michelle Obama a legitimate Man!

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

Honestly the only reason that I don't think he was hit in the way they claim at a minimum is because thirty aught six would usually do way more damage. It's possible it was a grazing but old leaky neck wouldve had a far larger chunk taken out of his neck if IMO had it been a direct hit with the claimed caliber.

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[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Turns out face enlargement surgery has serious side effects.

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

(•_•) Looks like…

( •_•)>⌐■-■ this bullet is…

(⌐■_■) the smoking gun.

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