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Why the Full Employment Created by Bidenomics Should Be Celebrated (prospect.org)

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[-] protist@mander.xyz 91 points 2 years ago

Hot take here, judging by the company, but I think Biden's doing great. He's moved the federal government in a more progressive direction than any presidential administration since Lyndon Johnson, and I'm confident with more Democrats in the legislature he could do even more.

Simultaneously, the opposition has become so dangerous that it's absolutely critical the Democratic coalition remain together. There are always going to be criticisms you can level against any leader. I certainly don't agree with Biden 100% of the time. But if you check out the other hot takes here, making Biden out to be the devil, or saying they'll never vote for him...those people are trying to elect Donald Trump again.

[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago

Biden is definitely doing much better than I expected. No question. Nowhere near the Bernie Sanders type that we need, but a pleasant surprise.

In another time, I probably would go on a rant about Boomer politics killing us slowly. But since Republicans have literally become fascist lunatics, Democrats have to stick together no matter what.

History has shown us just how bad things can get under fascism, and these Republicans are dangerous, stupid, and cruel, and stupid. And yes, I know I put stupid twice.

[-] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

I'm just impressed he didn't crack down on the left first thing.

Not snark here, I had worried he would.

[-] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

I have no problem with democrats 'sticking together' as far as voting blue next election, but don't sit back after you've done that.

The seeds for fascism in the USA are the same ones that were in Germany when Hitler rose - rampant inequality and poverty leading to desperate people leading to christian nationalism, and later fascism. I hate to break it to you but a Democratic party with no one to the left of them has no incentive to fix the root problems, and every incentive to stay on the take and then escape to their favorite country with their wealth if they push it too far.

Campaign finance reform, election reform, labor reform ... pick a cause and find some friends. We cannot have a democracy without working for it. Fascism will rise in the absence of effort.

[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

What we need is a left-wing candidate to win a primary, and pull the party to the left the way Bush and Trump pulled their party to the alt-right

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

It's the #walkaway all over again, which really was conservatives saying that they won't vote for democrats "again".

[-] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 years ago

I have to admit, I was definitively in the “they’re really gonna make me vote for Joe Biden?” Camp, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised. His work with the railroad union really solidified it, where sure, don’t love the strike breaking, but the post-strike negotiations end results was certainly a win for those same rail workers.

[-] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Man I'm so fully employed that I have three part time jobs. All of which I need to pay rent. Pretty sweet!

No I do not have health insurance.

[-] Entropywins@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Oof life is a grind but if you can surround yourself with the right relationships/community and keep putting your best foot forward things will get better on the job front.

[-] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah I've worked my way into a profession where if you're not the lucky 1/500 that gets the full time, tenure track job, you've just got to work at 2-3 different universities part time, with no insurance. There are worse choices I could have made, but academia was not a good one. At this point I will never have a full time job unless I change professions; once you've adjuncted long enough you're essentially toxic to any hiring committee. And as far as I can tell, I unlike other industries, personal and university connections are actively detrimental; it reflects poorly on a department to hire people who've got a connection to the department.

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[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Why are you working part time jobs?

[-] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I can't get full time jobs. I've only ever had one and got laid off. Theyre also harder to get because your employer has to pay for health insurance if you work more than 28 hours per week.

I'm also a weird case cause I'm an adjunct professor. Precarity comes with the territory.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Why not quit being a professor and use your doctorarte degree to get a salaried position?

You will absolutely make more money.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Full time jobs hardly ever work with a part time job. Finding times to fit usually means two part time jobs than a full time and part time. Plus businesses get jealous when you don't dedicate your life to them.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 33 points 2 years ago

The goal should be zero employment. Making people work to justify their existence is the antithesis of what we've fought and suffered for a hundred thousand years to achieve.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

The goal should be zero employment.

Hunting and gathering is still working to justify your existence.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Yes and we should be doing less work than they did, not more.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Your life is massively easier, safer, healthier, and more convenient than theirs. Your life expectancy is massively higher. The trade off there is an interconnected and interdependent series of jobs.

You are welcome to go be a subsistence farmer or scavenging hermit at any point if youd prefer, but expecting all the same benefits without contribution is a bit odd.

There is a reason people choose even sweatshop labor over subsistence farming.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

We aren't having the same discussion. I'm talking about eliminating all work, including subsistence farming and sweatshop labor, not going back to hunting and gathering.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Then everyone just starves to death.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

In 1776 years ago about 90% of the population were involved in farming. Today that number is under 2% and we have more food than we need to feed everyone. Working less does not mean producing less. It's why we don't mine coal by hand or haul goods on sledges.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That 2% goes to 0% and we get food how?

Or did you mean you just don't want to work? Because we had that system too, up until a different American war about 90 years later

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

The same way it went from 90% to 2% - automation, better land use, better pesticides and fertilizers. The same thing that happened with mining, logging, manufacturing, communications, and everything else since then.

But instead of working less - as was predicted by scientists as recently as the 1950s - we made up bullshit jobs to keep people busy, and layers and layers of management to monitor them, and entire industries of people who just skim money off of the economy.

And, yes, I also don't want to work. But why should I have all the fun? And aren't we all working so that we can eventually retire and not work? Let's just collectively skip a step.

I don't expect you to get it, though.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Lol ok man

[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1575/increase-federal-minimum-wage-15hour/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1541/increase-access-affordable-housing/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1584/end-pay-discrimination/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1552/provide-section-8-vouchers-low-income-families-cap/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1583/offer-8000-tax-credit-child-care/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1602/guarantee-12-weeks-paid-family-and-medical-leave/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1601/make-2-years-community-college-or-high-quality-tra/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1596/make-public-colleges-and-universities-tuition-free/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1588/no-tax-increase-anyone-making-less-400000/

certain industries are also paying less than when Biden first took office and costs for everything has gone up sometimes doubling

Walmart is just one example paying $4 less or more than a few years ago

why should this be celebrated? links below are what we are celebrating the ones above stalled out

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1581/give-small-businesses-restart-package-pandemic-rel/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1577/help-state-and-local-governments-prevent-budget-sh/

[-] scottywh@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

"Full employment" is a lie...

[-] Techmaster@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Maybe they used speech recognition. They meant fool.

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

It's not helping me or anyone I know, so...

[-] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 8 points 2 years ago

Let us see if Bidenflation is much better closer to 2024...

At any rate, I will have to admit that I have a personal stake in this debate. Back when the American Rescue Plan was being debated, I argued against Larry Summers’s notion that its size should be slashed because it might cause inflation. I said the balance of risks was not even close—on the one hand a continuation of the economic lost decade of the 2010s, but on the other some inflation that would cause only moderate pain. Inflation did come—and while I don’t believe Summers was right about the causes, which were more about the pandemic and the war in Ukraine than Big Fiscal, it did turn out to be quite unpopular.

The Lawerence Summers that blamed inflation on Jan. 6 2021, this is the person people are looking for advise?

Jimmy Dore did a video on him on Jun 15, 2022.

Obama Advisor Ties Inflation To January 6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4L8PHBowpk

[-] nublug 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

jimmy dore is a cryptofash and you spread cryptofash shit everywhere.

[-] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 2 points 2 years ago

What is cryptofash?

When have I posted about crypto?

Only time I remember was when I posted Yanis Voaroukis talk about cryto.

Crypto is dead | Yanis Varoufakis x Viktor Tábori x Brain Bar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JGYpDZixlY

[-] nublug 10 points 2 years ago

cryptofascist. nothing to do with cryptocurrency they just share the same prefix, in the case of cryptofascist it means obfuscated, hidden. jimmy dore is a fascist pretending to be a leftist in order to sow leftist division and fud. that's why he only attacks left and simps for authoritarians states. like a tankie but no earnest leftist beliefs at all.

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Crypto-fascism. Also, Jimmy Dore fucking blows

[-] protist@mander.xyz 21 points 2 years ago

Who the fuck reads this and thinks the author, who clearly states they disagree with Larry Summers at every point, is looking to Larry Summers for advice? And who gives a flying fuck about Jimmy Dore? Are you Jimmy Dore?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

He spams links for Jimmy Dore's youtube channel.

[-] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 2 points 2 years ago

He quoted him on the article, I did not bring it up for no reason.

If the bar is as low as Lawerence Summers, then that is good for you, not for me.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

The bar for Jimmy Dore is far, far lower.

[-] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 1 points 2 years ago

Is it though?

Watching his point of view vs. other politicial yters...

He calls it as he sees it, then the backlash and smears start, since he is left of those people.

He is more the lay person, no need to act like he is a professional politician.

Sabby Sabs is more to my taste, but I do try and watch as many people as possible.

Being in a bubble is not good.

[-] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Of course, inflation that every industrialised country is facing is because of Joe Biden.

[-] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 1 points 2 years ago

Person who is currently in charge gets blamed as history shows.

What caused inflation? Federal Reserve printing out money like crazy for wars.

I do not see a push for a Great New Deal.

Mostly just corporate democrate talk and half tries.

[-] Rice_Daddy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

This was a well balanced article overall, considering the title. It does celebrate the low unemployment but balances it out by calling out cost related issues. Left leaning but not delusional.

[-] kava@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Fuck Biden

The economy is not doing well, I don't care what statistics they use to try and lie about it. People are suffering.

If the economy was doing good, the feds wouldn't keep increasing rates.

And to put cherry on cake, Biden did a photo shoot at the border wall last week and is expanding construction on something he promised to halt.

I'm getting closer to just voting for Trump at this point. Biden makes me so angry. Most important issue for me is immigration reform and foreign policy. Seems like Biden and Trump are identical in these two areas except for a disagreement on whether to turn off the money tap to Ukraine.

[-] charles@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Found the worst take!

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[-] snipvoid@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Plus think of all the EXTRA jobs building the border wall will bring!

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