i always liked how bleach's creator justified fanservice, instead of some long-winded in-universe reasoning he just went "i like big titties"
IIRC, that was basically the reason given by Yoko Taro about why 2B looks like that in Nier.
Vitamin D deficiency right?
Not that D, pervert.
Fuck you the scurvy is perpetual. Or that's what I would say if my ancestors apparently didn't make a deal with the devil for immunity to vitamin D deficiency, the salt deficiency is real though.
Scurvy is a vitamin C deficiency.
The sun's a bitch and so are you. Also I fucken hate letters, can we abandon the Latin alphabet and go back to using runic script?
Think of all the memorization you'd have to do to be literate. Like learning Japanese was going just swell until I got to the point where I realized I'd need to learn about a thousand kanji, and then there's kanji combinations to form words on top of that with obscure links that you'd have to really know the culture to understand.
But it is a very efficient language for the amount of information per character, so all that memorization might be worth it. If you ever watch any anime, you can see this when they use subtitles to translate stuff written down. There's often not enough space to show it all or time to read it because it's set up for japanese not english.
I don't mind sexy girls in my games.
i mind when there's some weird-ass rationalisation for the creator's barely disguised fetish. when asked why 2B was styled that way, yoko taro said "i like looking at girls". when asked why quiet was styled like that, hideo kojima said "when you find out the reason, you will be ashamed of your words and deeds" only for the reason to be fucking nonsense.
just own it man, geez.
Liking pretty women isn't a fetish
no, but exhibitionism is.
Wearing a bikini top in hot weather isn't exhibitionism.
look ricky, i know you're reasonable. we're not talking about the character in a vacuum, we're talking about kojimas extreme defense of what would otherwise have been accepted as just standard fanservice, and the fact that the excuse was so flimsy. quiet doesn't fit into her setting, sure. that happens in a lot of japanese media. but kojima made such a big deal about it before release that she somehow fits in worse than if he had said nothing.
we're not talking about the character in a vacuum, we're talking about kojimas extreme defense of
Deflection / Framing Control
That's what you're talking about.
You're dissatisfied with the canon explanation for Quiet's exposure, you think Hideo made too big of a deal about it, that Hideo should have just said 'yep I'm doing fan-service'.
Ricky is just stating that he finds conventionally physically attractive women physically attractive, that this is not a fetish, that wearing clothes that broadly fit the climate and Quiet's combat role is not exhibitionism.
You keep talking past him, and the original commenter, never acknowledging that you keep throwing out tangential exaggerations, based around Kojima, that don't apply to the people you're talking to, the things they are saying.
You're talking, but you're not listening.
wow, good analysis. genuinely, you managed to de-escalate any tension before it appeared. not sarcastic.
the reason i'm talking about framing is that that's what the thread is about. saying "i enjoy attractive ladies in games" in this thread is implicitly in the context provided by the OPs image; the implicit sentence here is "personally i had no problem with quiet in particular". my original pushback was that context matters, and that the stated reason something is made needs to be taken into account. like, since kojimbo stated that there was a very good reason for her to act and dress like she does, the fact that the reason is bad makes the decision worse. that's a hole he has written himself into, it's a very weird inclusion, and the fact he keeps defending the decision just makes it weirder.
i also like sexy women in my games, but i'm not the kind of person to just slap nude mods onto tomb raider or resident evil. there is a time and a place.
Sure.
Keep explaining why you're saying what you're saying.
Yep, your understanding of the implicit context is such.
Other people can have different implicit understandings of context.
And you still aren't listening, you're rationalizing, explaining yourself.
Never owned up to throwing out nonsensical accusations, made against Kojima, but actually said to Not Kojima.
I already explained what you are doing.
I understand.
okay, then explain the alternative interpretation of the context. explain to me what i should be picking up from these unqualified statements that i am not.
You described wearing basically a bikini, sheers, some tac rigs, boots, etc...
As exhibitionism.
Thats a signifcant exaggeration / misunderstsnding of exhibitionism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhibitionism
Exhibitionism is basicslly flashing, intentionally showing off the bits that are in this image, not visible, specifically to an audience.
Exhibitionism is a nude bicycle parade.
Exhibitionism is flashing your nude body to a crowd of onlookers.
Exhibitionism is a 'Free the Nipples!' protest.
At least by the framework of the game world being a consistent universe unto itself, Quiet is not an exhibitionist: She is a sniper, who prefers to operate very far away from other people.
Sure, if you want to expand exhibitionism to include breaking the 4th wall, to 'being viewed by the audience of gamers', then... ok... but... can you see how that creates a standard where any character that is depicted nude, is then an exhibitionist by way of existing in a form of media?
So its pretty innacurate to describe either Quiet, or gamers seeing Quiet, as an exhibitionist, unless she is actually doing an exhibitionism.
Being eye candy is not the same thing as exhibitionism.
Telling someone they are either into viewing exhibitionists, or are themselves an exhibitionist... for seeing a scantily clad character... thats not correct, just factually, unless you want to bend the meaning of exhibitionism to the point that it basicslly breaks.
so you completely misunderstood my meaning. that's fine, i should have expressed myself better.
i am not describing the character as an exhibitionist, nor am i saying that the people who enjoy the character are into that. i'm saying that the creator of the character intentionally designed her according to his tastes, context be damned. and he designed her to be a character that enjoys showing of her body, or at least acts like it.
people are not into a specific thing just because they like something that incorporates that thing. however if you intentionally put that thing into your work, especially when it clashes with the rest of it, you definitely are into that thing.
also you linked a wikipedia article about a psychologic disorder, not about the fetish. they are two different things, one way more serious than the other.
I agree with most of this, save for
conventionally physically attractive women physically attractive, that this is not a fetish
it definitely is a fetish, just one of the most socially accepted ones.
Can you really call it exhibitionism if it's a constructed storyline?
not sure how to answer that actually.
I'm more surprised that he didn't make it nanomachines again. That's not the answer to everything, Hideo!
Can I be real I like it when it's both.
I have personal characters for stuff and they're very much designed in a way where I am attracted to them. I think a visually striking appearance is better than looking like a generic lump of metal robot dude. I'll get out a bullhorn and say "SHES SHAPED LIKE THIS BECAUSE ITS HOT"
At the same time a rational in universe reason they look like that or have xyz feature is also fun and useful for storytelling.
A core example is that I have a water dragon-lady character, her outfit is swimwear inspired. But she spends loads of time in the water and can stay there for an extended duration via cutaneous respiration.
but that's still owning it! most people like or are fine with sexy characters, as long as it fits the setting. quiet is infamous because not only is she at odds with her environment, the creator actively lambasted people on twitter for pointing that out. quiet is a weird character.
just for reference, the reason she has to be naked is that she gets nutrients from the sun. just like a character in an earlier metal gear who is always fully clothed. she also moves like a cat in heat, rubbing herself on things and shoving her ass into the camera in an active warzone. it's like she's in brazzers parody of her own game.
Yeah I'm not arguing in favor of Quiet though. All I'm saying is I like taking ownership of my reasoning combined with at least some semi plausible explanation. I think it's fair to delineate that from pure "Made a sexy girl because I like sexy girls".
I mean I do and I don't. Attractive characters can exist, that's ok, that's standard. But fan service is cringe and probably exclusionary.
Who wrote this shit
Bruh, were you not paying attention to the name HIDEO KOJIMA appearing on your screen at the start and end of every single mission? He really wanted you to know it was his idea.
once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds.
How does one get five MGS games deep and then decide to make a stand about Quiet?
If it was only tits in the game i would have hated it but MGS V Phantom Pain is a great game and if it were finished it would have been 10 times better, but Konami had to fuck it up.
That's not what "fan service" is. Fan service is a reboot of a series (like That 70's Show), which is shit, but it has a couple of the old castmembers in it. Fans don't want titties, everybody wants titties. Titties is a "everybody service".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_service
society existed before you decided to throw in your 2 cents
I didn't know that, thanks for teaching me. You can work on the delivery though, you don't sound very friendly.
I vary in my friendliness from time to time, you caught a pointy one, sorry. Thank you for being mature enough to take the sharp criticism and be willing to learn from it and stand up for yourself.
You too man
She was the best ally to bring out with you. She never missed!
She was unable to shoot if she needed to change position to get a better angle, couldn't shoot at anyone indoors, and needed 2 shots if they were wearing a helmet.
Meanwhile D.D. could also sense enemies in an area, and take out anyone instantly with the knife regardless of amount of armor. And stun knife if you wanted to capture them.
Only thing Quiet was better at was a quick shot to avoid alert if you get spotted. That and fan service of course.
What game is this?
Metal Gear Solid V Phantom Pain
I was so disappointed by that. I really expected better from Hideo.
Why, have you not played any other Kojima games?
Hideo is a horny bastard and you should've seen it coming.
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