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This thought came to me in the shower today. Open source checks most of the boxes. It is a collaborative, worker owned (develloper-owned) project, that tries to flatten hierarchy. Especially if you look at something like Debian ), which really tries to have a bottom-up structure.
Of course, there are exceptions, considering there are a lot of corporate open-source projects, that are not democratically maintained and clearly only serve the interest of the company, who created it (like chromium for example).
So I am mainly talking about community-oriented FOSS projects here.
And if you were to agree with my statement, would you say that developing FOSS software is advancing the goals of the anarchist / communist project, because it is laying the groundwork infrastructure needed for a new kind of economy and society?
Thought this could be an interesting discussion!

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[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 78 points 2 months ago

Honestly, yes, I think it's one of the best examples of anarchism in action the world has ever seen. And an especially pertinent example to point out to those who'd say things like, "Why would anyone do work or innovate without a profit motive?" Lots of good and innovative software, made without any profit incentive by a collective of people who are working on it just because they want to and they enjoy it.

[-] flora_explora@beehaw.org 20 points 2 months ago

I spent hours every day either taking pictures of organisms or identifying them online, just for the sake of it and without financial reimbursement. People who say you need a profit motive to do work are just passionless and detached from the world...

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 16 points 2 months ago

People who say you need a profit motive to do work are just passionless and detached from the world…

You might even say they're feeling alienated, as a certain German economist might say.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 months ago

Meanwhile we have many capitalist groups stifling innovation in the name of profit. It's more profitable for them to prevent competition than to compete for the best product.

[-] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 43 points 2 months ago

Yes, as an anarchist I regularly point to FOSS as a plausible example of it working

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Cory Doctorow has a novel "Walkaway" which is basically "what if society but FOSS". It's really good!

To answer your question, while it has a lot in common with anarchism I don't think anyone benefits from trying to fit it into a predefined political box. It's something new.

[-] DeckPacker@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 months ago

Wow, I didn't think, I would get such an interesting book recommendation out of this. Thank you so much!

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 9 points 2 months ago

My pleasure! It kind of reminds me of Snow Crash in that it's really fun and adventurous but also made me think deep thoughts.

[-] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 5 points 2 months ago

Cory Doctorow is prolific and has written a ton of other great and highly interesting stuff as well. He's a very intelligent fellow.

[-] eleijeep@piefed.social 4 points 2 months ago

It's a great book, and very relevant.

[-] its_kim_love 31 points 2 months ago

It can definitely be a form of praxis.

[-] DeckPacker@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 months ago

Sorry for being a bit of an idiot, but what is praxis?

[-] its_kim_love 27 points 2 months ago

The textbook definition would be the application of theory to action. It's basically leftist slang for putting the theories of socialism/communism/humanism into practice in a real way.

[-] DeckPacker@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago

Alright, thanks ;)

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 2 months ago

Open source is not literally communism, but I do think it's one of the best examples to demonstrate that anarcho-communism is plausible.

[-] rimu@piefed.social 21 points 2 months ago

Only if you use GPL, not MIT.

[-] ati@piefed.social 16 points 2 months ago

It's an observation of Marx, I think correct, that society organises in a manner aligned around the means of production. Agrarian -> feudal, industrial -> capitalist etc. I think the essential distinguishing feature of software vs capital goods is that software can be copied without the loss of the original. Hence I think the concept of ownership fails and the mode of production becomes anarchist.

[-] nfreak@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

While not explicitly so, FOSS as a concept aligns very closely with far left anti-capitalist principles. The existence of corporate and right-winger-owned FOSS projects is a bit of an oxymoron, but doesn't discredit the fact that it's inherently a far left concept.

[-] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago
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[-] sanzky@beehaw.org 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think FOSS enable those kind of communities but I don’t think FOSS as a concept is any of those things. those communities could equally work with a non FOSS license (eg one that prevents commercial use or a license that allow usage only by members of a specific community). They uses existing licenses because they go momentum and have legal precedents that allows people to defend their rights.

Most FOSS licenses were specifically designed to allow profiting from the wok of others, even the GPL. Just see how many billion dollar companies (think Azure, AWS, etc) profit from projects without giving anything back.

[-] for_some_delta@beehaw.org 8 points 2 months ago

I consider FOSS a step toward prefiguring an anarchy.

Current source control management systems however perpetuate heirarchies with roles such as maintainer and developer with different permissions. I like to keep the permissions similar for roles. I might take away foot guns like force push from developers.

Another problem limiting anarchy is consensus. Getting agreement from everyone effected is still not quite there in the merge request process.

[-] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago

But you can fork it and make your own thing. Standard hierarchy has much more power over resources. Git's hierarchy is almost simbolic.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 7 points 2 months ago

I was introduced to communism/socialism through Linux.

[-] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 7 points 2 months ago

I often think of community run open source free license software projects as an example of communalism, personally. Maybe when I learn about more forms of anarchism and socialism there will be other ideas that feel more apt to describe it

[-] its_me_xiphos@beehaw.org 7 points 2 months ago

I'm going with communalism. And its even simpler. A group of like minded people wanting to be creative nd share creativity without monetization. Seems more akin to artist movements to me. And I'm all for it.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago

Fuck yea! I'm not those dumb tear down the government people, I'm the make it redundant pragmatic people. I will go as close to my ideal state as possible.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's a non-market way of doing things, so sure it fits the definition, but labels are dumb, and the people who really like labels are worse.

You'll also notice that you still have to pay for whatever device Linux goes on, which is a strong hint about the economics at play.

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[-] MerryJaneDoe@beehaw.org 6 points 2 months ago

Not really.

I compare it more to fan fiction and amateur writing. Some is a great read, much better than the garbage you might find on NYT's best seller list. Very talented people doing what they love and trying to be of service to others along the way. FOSS often seems more of a passion project for the creator(s) than an anarchist/communist project, IMHO - although there are obvious parallels.

[-] MolochHorridus@piefed.social 5 points 2 months ago

Only problem with communism is that humans are unable to practice it without turning to fascistic practices. As an idea it is beautiful. “To each according to their needs.”

[-] DeckPacker@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago

Free software works though?? Also if you want some real world examples of anarchist-like principles being applied in praxis, without fascism, look up Rojava or the Zapatista-Movement.

[-] MolochHorridus@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago

Are the developers needs met really though?

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[-] monad@anarchist.nexus 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Not Communism in a political sense. More like community based, friendly software.

Open Source as in transparent or non proprietary.

[-] ResistingArrest@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

There are some people who are in it for what you've listed (flattened hierarchy, worker owned, etc) but there are others who are in it for personal ownership and control, which may align better w/ a libertarian set of values, but you're not wrong about the ancom aspects

[-] Ice@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago

I do not.

FOSS is the natural conclusion of public code having a negligible cost to supply once it has been produced. Ideally it takes IP out of the equation and allocates compensation towards development rather than rent extraction.

FOSS is a question of centralization & authority vs decentralization & freedom.

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[-] Jayjader@jlai.lu 4 points 2 months ago

BoringCactus wrote a tentative post-mortem to "open source"/free software (five-and-a-half years ago already?!) that I find/found interesting and somewhat relevant to your question.

[-] DeckPacker@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

That was indeed a really interesting read! It really made me think more deeply about software licencing. I didn't quite understand what the authors problem with GPLv3 was though? That the companies are scared of it? Isn't that kind of a good thing? I don't want amazon to make massive profits off of my work, because if that's possible to do, then that would necessarily mean, that my goal as a developer (to protect my work from exploitation while helping the common good) isn't working. I am curious what you have taken away from the essay though? How do you protect your code from corporate exploitation?

[-] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The author of that piece would say you protect your code by not open sourcing it (or by using a license that grants no rights to use said source). It's an incredibly frustrating piece to me, because it presents hampering corporations as more important than not screwing over individual FOSS users.

The reason they blame GPLv3 is because they claim the open sourcing requirements within it are so onerous that corporations just avoid it, making it so that rather than corporations contributing to that software, they often end up supplanting it with their own versions that have alternate licensing, which then not only denies the original author any benefit, but even makes the corporation 'look good' to people who don't realize or care what happened.

It's so frustrating to me because they're doing this whole "pragmatism over idealism" claim, while also not acknowledging that FOSS as a movement is the only reason any corporation open sources anything now. They certainly didn't used to. But the author seemingly would rather people not have any tools made with or by companies, who are benefiting from them financially, than have both corporations and individual users benefit from them. That's ideology over pragmatism as well.

Capitalism is bad, but it's bad because it entrenches profit over morality, via the mistaken belief/ false premise that competing interests will average out in the end. It's not bad because every single output it creates is somehow evil incarnate, which seems to be the author's gist.

[-] Cekan14@lemmy.org 4 points 2 months ago

Yep, and that's why I use it.

[-] mmmm@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

If we take the words of Saint Richard Stallman as true in the sense that in his day all software developmet was 'open' but at some point some decided for whatever reason to start "closing" stuff then one could say all software development did not have any anarchist or communist intention in the beginning, it just turned profit-driven in the way.

[-] DeckPacker@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

I mean, it's less about the intention and more about the reality of software development. Just because the developers back then didn't chose to do software development in an anarchist way (although I think a lot of them had that kind of mindset), doesn't mean, that they didn't do it using anarchist principles.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 4 points 2 months ago

Most of the systems that enslave us run on linux.

[-] TerribleReason1234@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 months ago

I had the same exact thought after Steve balmer called it communist cancer, but then I came to a conclusion. Open source, and fair source software is communist, but free software is not. Free is as freedom and not price. You can make money off of it, but why is it different than OSS. The difference is that Free software protects the user's rights as opposed to OSS. Protecting the user's rights and freedoms is important.

[-] Gork@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

In Soviet Russia, code programs you!

[-] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago

I used to think so. It's ideologically sound except for allowing corporations the same free use as anyone else. There are plenty of forward thinking people who would never want to support the oppressive evil of massive technology corporations and would never intentionally help them. Then they publish free software and directly help them anyway. It's not a coincidence that most "free" software is funded by the US tech industry who is directly benefited from it. I'm not sure of a way to change it that would help regular people faster than it helps private industry crush regular people.

[-] OneRedFox@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago

Yes. It is pretty much exactly how we would do software development.

[-] glitzer_gadze@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

I think that communism-capitalism are very inadequate dimensions for discribing the world.

[-] wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 months ago

I'm definitively printing this and putting it on my wall

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