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Case was seen as major test of the first amendment and whether the US could use broad anti-terrorism statute to prosecute leftwing protesters

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[-] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 300 points 1 month ago

When being against fascism gets you charged as a terrorist, you live in a fascist regime.

[-] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 148 points 1 month ago

And all those concentration camps they're building aren't just for immigrants.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

Even if they were, it would count.

[-] choui4@lemmy.zip 186 points 2 months ago

Thats actually insane. This is a HUGE HUGE HUGE deal

[-] tomiant@piefed.social 75 points 1 month ago

Every other day it's something that's a HUGE HUGE HUGE fucking deal. It's done, the frog is boiled. Violent rebellion or accept fascism, choose one.

[-] choui4@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 month ago

Have you joined your local lefty self defense org?

[-] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

I'm just sitting here in Canada hoping you guys get your fucking shit together and figuring out a way I can get my transgender girlfriend the fuck out of America.

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[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 127 points 1 month ago

They pointed to the fact that the demonstrators took steps to prevent their cell phones from being tracked.

Prosecutors also pointed to the way that the protesters used Signal, a widely-used messaging application, as evidence of their coordination and conspiracy. The protesters used pseudonyms on the app and had messages autodelete, an increasingly common practice among protesters and journalists who are concerned about government surveillance. They also emphasized the defendants were wearing all black during the protest, sometimes describing it as “tactical” gear.

That just describes my normal non-protest day. The fuck is this?

[-] AltoCuddle@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

My black T-shirt is now tactical gear.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Tactileneck

[-] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

When you find out you've been a terrorist your whole life...

[-] null@lemmy.org 18 points 1 month ago

At first they came for the tactical protestors and I said nothing. Then they came for the goths, then the emo kids.

[-] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 15 points 1 month ago

Antifa! ANTIFA!!!

Me too, by the way. Tbh, I'm way closer to antifa than to ever setting foot in the USA. And I still think that's a good thing. At least being anti fascist and willing to punch a Nazi.

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[-] choui4@lemmy.zip 120 points 2 months ago

Sanchez-Estrada was the only defendant not at the protest, and was only charged with corruptly concealing a document or record, after prosecutors say he moved leftwing zines following the arrest of his wife, Maricela Rueda, on the Fourth of July. Song also escaped after the incident and there was an 11-day manhunt for him.

WTF THEYRE COMING FOR OUR ZINES!!!???

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 69 points 1 month ago

I'm confused. Is a left wing magazine one that promotes the ideals of freedom like fighting against government overreach against your people? Is a left wing magazine one that advocates for defending your friends and family against masked thugs using any means necessary?

Because apparently I know a lot of Republicans on the Antifa payroll.

[-] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago

Ooooo wow you sure got them in a pickle of hypocrisy now

Buy a gun

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

First amendment is long dead bro

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[-] tomiant@piefed.social 23 points 1 month ago

"You have been fount guilty of zpreading communist propaghanda. Ze fuhrer is most displeazed."

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[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 116 points 1 month ago

I belive the term here is "kangaroo court"

[-] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago

If they are going to process you as terrorist anyway, then you might as well make moves that are worthy of the label. After all the only real difference between a freedom fighter and terrorist is the narrative.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Jein. There's also the problem that antifa believers generally have universal morals, such as killing is bad.

[-] AngryRedHerring@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

We killed a whole bunch of Nazis about 80 years back and that worked out pretty well

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[-] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 67 points 1 month ago
[-] Soulphite@reddthat.com 65 points 2 months ago
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[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 65 points 2 months ago

Any candidate for the 2028 Democratic presidential primary better be getting asked about pardoning all these people

[-] n4ch1sm0@piefed.social 29 points 1 month ago

They better be asked about how they're going to prosecute all these fucking criminals in the White House

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[-] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 52 points 1 month ago

Guilty till they can prove themselves innocent...FROM JAIL

What has this country come to???

[-] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 month ago

It's been like this for a very long time. Back in the 1950s, you could call someone a communist and they would be arrested and put on trial.

[-] evenglow@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

Republican Wonderland.

[-] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago

A police officer arrived on the scene shortly after and drew his weapon at one of the people allegedly doing vandalism. One of the protesters was standing in the woods with an AR-15 and hit him in the shoulder. The officer would survive.

Even this conviction is bullshit. The cop drew first. Song shot in defense of others.

[-] NoTagBacks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago

The standards of ROE they hold fucking police officers to is absolutely fucked. They draw their weapons at the drop of a hat and fucking POINT a weapon at unarmed people all the fucking time. The second weapon safety rule is to NEVER point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot. IN A FUCKING WAR ZONE, a mfer could be cursing at you with a goddamn AK pointed at you and ROE say you still aren't justified to engage. If a cop points a weapon directly at someone, that establishes intent by basic-ass weapons safety rules that these jackasses are supposed to be trained in. Charge all cops with attempted murder that point weapons at unarmed people. And I mean that unironically, pass a law and everything. They can't keep getting away with escalating all these situations so fucking often that people feel the need to arm themselves and put on body armor just in case they run across a cop. And if these baby-bitch cops can't be trusted with firearms, how about we take their fucking guns and arm minorities instead. At least minorities in America actually have a reason to fear for their lives enough to arm themselves.

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 46 points 1 month ago

another rule of fascism, always accuse your opposition as terrorist, so that your Peblian support remains strong.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago

All the charges against all of these folks seem to stem from this one act by one person:

One of the protesters was standing in the woods with an AR-15 and hit [a police officer] in the shoulder. The officer would survive.

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[-] in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social 45 points 2 months ago

Well we'll see how soon appeals can start. This is going to be a big case either way.

[-] BigTurkeyLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How is any jury finding them guilty, deck has to be stacked because the ratio of ice supporters to nonsupporters even in Texas isn't enough to get an average jury to vote guilty. This is coming from a guy in Oklahoma. All they need is 1 juror to hold the line.

[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

This is a big big fucking deal and big hit to freedom here.

I can hardly believe this outcome.

[-] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 months ago

Fuck the United States, piece of shit country masquerading as a free and advanced nation.

Shit. Hole. If I was there and I had any, any chance to leave I would be gone. Long, long, long gone.

T-minus 8 months until people actually start to become concerned there I guess.

[-] daychilde@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

T-minus 8 months until people actually start to become concerned there I guess.

I guess you haven't paid attention to those of us who have been fighting against this shit as we're able for well over two decades. I guess you don't see the gradual increase in awareness.

Has it led to ovethrowing everything yet? No, but a lot of people are fucking concerned. So you guess wrong.

It is, however, a shithole, yes. And if I could get out, I fucking would.

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[-] tomiant@piefed.social 13 points 1 month ago

The ONLY sign of resistance I have seen so far has been from Minnesotans. God bless them.

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[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 36 points 1 month ago

Mark Pittman, a US district judge nominated to the federal bench by Donald Trump in 2019, appeared to gesture at the irrelevance of antifa in the closing moments of the trial, asking prosecutors why he should mention it in his instructions to the jury, underlining the gap between the emphasis on antifa and the technicality of the criminal charges they faced. “Whether it’s antifa or the Methodist Women’s Auxiliary of Weatherford, why does it matter?” Pittman said.

[-] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There shouldn't be a law against terrorism. Real terrorism already involves serious crimes (murder etc.). There should not be a law defining "being a terrorist" as illegal.

"found guilty of support for terrorism" is bullshit.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

The prosecutor said, "They're here because they ambushed a cop." WTF?!?! Well then, on Jan 6th a mob of fucking MAGA terrorists ambushed a lot of police officers.

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile pro-ICE protester/influencer Jake Lang got caught trying to pick up what he thought was a 15 year old girl.

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

State sponsored domestic terrorism

[-] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

The first Texan to roll Paxton into the Gulf of Mexico wins.

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[-] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Whatever side you're on, this is worrisome. Today it's Antifa, tomorrow it's the Tea Party etc.

Weapons can be repurposed as new parties take power endlessly until finally some sane group of souls has the decency to legislate away malicious prosecutions based on politics.

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[-] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Song faces a minimum of 20 years and a maximum of life in prison, according to the US attorney for the northern district of Texas. Arnold, Evetts, Morris, Rueda, Batten, Elizabeth Soto and Ines Soto each face between 10 and 60 years in prison. Sanchez Estrada faces up to 40 years.

Just out of curiosity, has the DOJ ever gotten around to charging anybody in the Epstein files other than Maxwell? Bc there's like millions of files.

Like even just one single pedophile? Just to make the streets a little safer? Surely if they can make all this complete bullshit stick they can make something from those files stick, right?

I'm sure they're more than motivated and will be getting around to it soon. It's only been 14 months and they probably just got a little distracted.

They had to take care of the much more dangerous members of a made up organization. Now that that's all cleared up and out of the way, I'm sure the hammer of justice will be swift for all those names that show up over and over again in those files....

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[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

Voting Republican supports terrorism and that’s okay so can we drop the dramatics and call the charges out for what they really are? They inconvenienced rich people.

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