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Israel did not have a realistic plan for regime change when it attacked Iran, multiple Israeli security sources have said, with expectations that airstrikes could lead to a popular uprising having been driven by “wishful thinking” rather than hard intelligence.

Iran has survived nearly two weeks of bombing raids and the assassination of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and Trump is publicly contemplating ending the increasingly costly war.

If Iran’s new leadership keeps its grip on power, the long-term measure of the success of the conflict may hang on the fate of 440kg of enriched uranium which was buried under a mountain by US strikes last June, former and serving Israeli defence and intelligence sources said. Enough for more than 10 nuclear warheads, Iran could use it to hasten the construction of a weapon if the material remains in the country.

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[-] Kirp123@lemmy.world 71 points 1 week ago

Funny enough this is what may fuck Trump over big time. Americans have been spoiled by their super low gas prices so the sudden increase is a shock nd he can't blame it on Biden or his other usual go tos.

[-] prole 53 points 1 week ago

nd he can't blame it on Biden or his other usual go tos.

Lol watch him

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago

He can't form new memories. I swear he thinks he is in the 80s again during the hostage crisis and is still obsessed with Obama/Biden.

Still, his base seems to love a geriatric child rapist so I'm not sure they will be able to connect gas prices to his actions, even if he is essentially hitting them in the face with it.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 19 points 1 week ago

My coworkers have already managed to blame Obama for making a "shitty deal" with Iran, and Biden for not "dealing with Iran sooner"

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Not Reagan?

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[-] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 3 points 1 week ago

They already are saying that it's a problem because Biden didn't do anything.

Republicans are fucking feckless when it comes to their blatant lies in the media.

[-] funksoulkitchen@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

The mask is off and they just can just tell obvious lies, knowing a lot of people will not so much believe the lie but justify them telling lies because it was for a good cause (owning libs, etc.). They are on a team now and they just support their team. Like when there's a tough call in sports and people just want the refs to call it in the way that helps their team. The mask isnt off so much its been replaced with a terrible mask that looks unrealistic and does little to conceal its wearers identify.

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[-] rayyy@piefed.social 29 points 1 week ago

Never underestimate the high powered, highly financed propaganda machine the right has constructed - that and the gullibility and stupidity of Americans.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

*The gullible stupidity of the GOP voters.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

I mean, there's plenty of non voters who guzzle up bullshit too.

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[-] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Never underestimate the Democrats ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I agree.

Americans' #1 issue is affordability, and it is the only reason they voted for Donald. He thought he had a mandate to rebrand and rebuild the Gestapo. He thought he had a mandate to dismantle the government.

No, Americans were tired of being priced out of their lives for the last four years, hated Democrats for doing nothing about it, and believed his lies about making America an affordable place to live again.

Ironically, not even the SAVE Act will be able to save him. Tens of millions of Americans are already working multiple jobs and 100 hours a week just to overpay for their rent on a roach-infested studio. The mid-terms are going to be an absolute bloodbath for Republicans. (Though most of the Democrats we elect won't do anything to make America affordable either.)

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[-] tomatolung@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago

You are correct, but that won't stop them from trying to blame them.

Also the Dems are so ineffectual lately, they might just make it easy for him.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

Yeah.

We noticed.

They're literally just improvising this war, because the point is to create chaos in Iran and they don't care how bad it gets. These bastards want another Sudan.

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 week ago

Correct me if I am wrong, however isn't destabilizing the neighborhood that you live in is generally a bad idea?

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

If the choice is between a central organized state that can make missiles to launch at you, or a basket case country with no ability to make missiles because the industry is destroyed and the ones that are left are being fired within the country, you pick the basket case state.

Israel knows at this point they aren't going to get a stable friendly regime in Iran like they have in the Gulf states since popular sentiment is so against them the people would overthrow that government. So if they can't get a friendly state it's better there's no state at all to channel the broad hatred for Israel.

[-] Soggy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Trick question, the answer is c) you establish mutually beneficial ties with your neighbors and stop being jingoist fuckstains so neither of you have to launch missiles at each other.

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[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 week ago

Ah but you have changed the regime. You've switched out one that was sorta kinda meh passively loathing you for one that is now for sure actively hating you and seeking your destruction!

Suffering from success?

[-] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago

Bored of Peace

[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Passively loathing? Iran arms and finances Hezbollah and the Houthis. During the last couple of years Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis attacked Israel pretty directly, attacking their civilian infrastructure. Hundreds of thousand of Israelis had to flee from the north of Israel to escape.

Iran‘s leaders have actively worked towards Israel‘s destruction for decades.

[-] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 6 points 1 week ago

That tends to happen when Israel attacks them and their allies all the time. And no, this is not an invitation to debate 'who shot first,' this is a stark statement to say that they both have been attacking each other for decades.

[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Still means it ain't passive loathing.

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[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago
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[-] 2FortGaming@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Oh yes, the highly enriched uranium that they only started stockpiling after Trump threw away the deal Obama made with them. The same uranium they offered to give back during the talks, Kushner and Wickoff didn't bring a nuclear specialist in for . And now because of these rich assholes thinking they can do whatever they hell they want a ton of innocent people are gonna die.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

a ton of innocent people ~~are gonna die~~ have already died and thousands more will follow

[-] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Until the poorly behaving wealthy see real consequences in real life for their actions, they will never stop.

Shame and ridicule is useless. They are immune.

[-] renhogan@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

True. But the IRGc slaughtered 40,000+ innocent civilians from their own Country.

Justifiable interventional response

EDIT: Yes, there are humanitarian and international law violations occurring in many countries. I oppose those as well. However, I’m not the one making decisions about when or where interventions occur, nor am I a commander-in-chief directing military action.

The bottom line is that many people agree the IRGC are a leading global sponsor of terrorism and have committed serious humanitarian crimes against their own people and others. Allowing such a regime to acquire nuclear weapons is something the international community should take seriously. This isn’t Iraq.

If nothing is done and, in ten years, they possess large numbers of nuclear-capable warheads with global reach, people will inevitably ask why the world stood by and allowed it to happen. By that point, the options available to stop them would be far more dangerous and destabilizing than addressing the threat now. Diplomacy has been attempted for decades, IRGC have demonstrated it won't agree to anything preventing acquisition of Nuclear capable weapons.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oof that is some pretty shitty reasoning. The US, just with the war on drugs for instance. The peak was over one hundred thousand people dead in 2023 alone. Every single death is preventable, but the US continues to choose to attack the poor and minorities instead of engaging in harm reduction.

Then consider deaths to gun violence. We have lost 1.5 million citizens in the last 30 years. More than every single US soldier lost in every single war we have fought.

Should other nations use this as a pretext to invade the U$ to free its oppressed population?

[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

You know, every case you named isn't slaughtering civilian protestors in the streets, but societal and statistic issues instead of deliberate action?

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

These are problems purposely created by the government. The War on Drugs was literally a way to go after minorites. The government defunded research into gun violence.

Trying to normalize this loss of life shows how depraved you are.

[-] renhogan@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Those are serious domestic policy failures and they absolutely deserve criticism. But they’re still not the same thing as a government deliberately carrying out mass violence against civilians or supporting armed groups abroad.

Recognizing that distinction isn’t “normalizing” loss of life, it’s acknowledging that different problems require different responses.

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[-] jumjummy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

So when are you shipping off to Sudan? If you’re so keen on international intervention of domestic killing, Sudan is in much worse shape than Iran.

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[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Can we even trust those numbers at this point?

[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Yes, there is a reason the Iranians didn't get their Internet privileges since January. If it wasn't as bad as the world thought you might not restrict information access so badly.

[-] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Where are the millions of Iranian refugees then? They're not caged prisoners like the Gazans are. You don't kill that many people in a short time and not have people trying to flee en mass. If it were true then Iran would be falling apart in a civil war.

Fuck off with these obvious lies. Blood thirsty fuckers.

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[-] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

AFAIK we currently have no idea, if the tunnel system of the enrichment facility has been destroyed or not. Meaning, if they even have access to 50kg of enriched uranium, it will be quite easy for them to assemble that on a rocket that reaches Tel Aviv. And if the Chinese deliver some nice intercontinental rockets, DC will be gone, too.

[-] this@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Because the plan was to distract from the files.

[-] Bakkoda@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The regime change is happening on US soil. The ultimate conservative wet dream: The American government is being privatized.

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

vibe bombing

[-] Bwaz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

No need for regime change if you just kill all the public there. Seems to be Israrl's plan for Gaza.

[-] Photonic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

No shit homie?

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

The plan has always been to destroy Iran and its infrastructure. Just like what was done to Iraq and others. They don't care about it having a different government. They want Iran and its people destroyed.

[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Death spasms of a dying empire

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