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"but then things would be different from when i was a child and that makes me scared and angry."
BC/Vancouver just removed it but made it DST year round. My only worry against that is that mornings would be hella dark. For where I live, sunrise in the winter (standard time) is around 7:55AM, meaning that's crack of dawn first light. Spring forward, so 7:55 becomes 8:55, meaning our first sunlight of the day won't be until about 9am. Now, our evenings will be a bit longer (sunset is around 4-4:30, so now 5-5:30, but still most people won't even see sunrise.
A lot of people, schoolchildren included, are up way before sunrise anyway, regardless of where we put the clocks.
Personally, I'm just sick of moving back and forth. I don't care what we change it to, just stop changing it. Where I live, we get 8 hours of daylight in the winter. Someone is always going to be in the dark sometime, no matter what we set our clocks to.
I used to be in the make-DST-permanent camp because I enjoy it being lighter later. Then I saw a set of US maps illustrating sunrises before 7am and sunsets after 5pm. Permanent DST completely hoses the western areas of the time zones. I can't in good conscience support that option anymore. Ditch DST altogether, and just make standard time permanent.
Yeah in my area standard time would be better. The summer would be a bit more sane, I think sunset can be as late as 10:30 at the peak of summer, so losing an hour isn't horrible there
Yeah I saw a map like that illustrating how which side of your time zone you're on makes a big difference. I wonder if adding another time zone so they're all a bit skinnier would help with that aspect of it.
Personally, I'd rather have it dark on the way to work than night before I get home.
You morning people already have the world scheduled around you. At least let us night owls get to enjoy a sunset in the winter.
As a fellow night owl, I don’t need a sunset. Just let me enjoy the peaceful darkness.
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I live basically on the border on the US side and pray that BC changing will allow WA to change.
Full DST is better imo. Having light after work/school/the day makes the dark months so much more tolerable. Helps alleviate my SAD partially, personally.
The problem is that if you're far enough North, the days are so short that if you work full time, no amount of clock-adjusting will keep you from either going to work or going home in the dark.
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DST shifts make more sense for higher latitude than it does for southern ones. ironically.
I lived in BC. It did suck to only have like 6 hours of full daylight. All of which were during the workday when you were inside anyway.
I wake up between 6 and 7am most weekdays, so the sun coming up at 8 vs 9am makes little difference to me.
I just get up later. I don't get it. The day is the same, just shift when you do things.
I know in some places in the world they do just that: stores have summer and winter hours. It's that simple. The clock doesn't change, your schedule does.
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Congress would actually have to do their jobs and pass legislation without throwing 500 riders onto it.
They literally have it completely approved, it's just that they're waiting to use it as the base for whatever else they want to get passed.
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We keep DST for more months than ST so I think more people like it more.
I kinda think it runs backwards, making the sun set even earlier in the clock day during winter. So much more dispiriting to come home in the dark than to go to work in the dark.
My argument for ending it is that you can't make days longer or shorter by moving the clock around, but I think we should just keep adding weeks onto DST and taking them away from ST until eventually it's just DST. But settling on either scheme would be ok, better than switching back and forth.
We already tried year-round DST in the 70s. It didn't last through the first year because kids were getting hit by cars on the way to school in the early morning darkness.
This has got to be bullshit. Or Americans are morons. There are so many places in the world where kids go to school in the dark anyways that I can't even wrap my head around how this causes kids to be hit by cars.
Oh well, kids don't walk to school in america anymore anyways so whatever.
For starters, those places have sidewalks, and street lamps, and generally care about pedestrians.
Some kids are straight walking on the side of a 4 lane highway to school right now.
But to be clear: the solution is not changing the time but adding pedestrian infrastructure. It would solve many more problems than kids getting hit.
Or Americans are morons
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Even with ST, my youngest goes to school in the dark all winter. Just now, as it's light when he goes out, they're about to swap it to DST and he'll be in the dark again for a couple of weeks.
"Losing" that short window of morning sunlight is nothing to me. Gaining the ability to have normal sleep patterns and not changing the clocks is infinitely better.
I do not care what the time is, as long as it stays consistent. My sleep is fucked up for 2x2 weeks every fucking year for no good reason.
Yeah but it's dark in the morning anyway. Elementary school here starts at like 7am, that is a bigger problem than the DST. I thought they hated it because they switched it back in January? If it just never changed I'm sure it would not feel so shocking.
Already we do 8 months of DST and only 4 of EST here.
Why the fuck do schools start so early and let out so early? It's like everything is engineered by some asshole trying to make everyone miserable.
Agreed. I am so glad my kids are grown, but I can still remember personally walking to school so early. It's nonsense. Also here if they were sensible they'd run school through the summer (when it's too hot to do much) and give the kids long winter and spring breaks instead (when there is more going on here). But nobody can accuse the last 20 years of Florida's government of being sensible. Not since Lawton Chiles have we had an actual good governor. Locally it's more hit & miss but state level it's been a string of misses.
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DST is the time in the summer. I favor year-round DST so that the sun doesn't set at 4pm.
I personally would rather have more daylight in the mornings than in the evenings during winter. Makes it way easier to wake up. Maybe lots of other people feel the same way.
That only works at a certain latitude. Further north it remains dark in the morning anyway
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I'd rather have sunlight when I get home off of work to be able to do stuff outside before it gets way too cold and dark. In the mornings before work I typically don't go outside so it can be dark
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I read that some senator was working on a bill to permanently switch to half-DST, which is where we set our clocks to halfway between regular time and DST. I've been advocating for that forever so I hope it will at least get people thinking/talking about it. It should solve the argument between whether to permanently stay on one time or the other. Split the difference and just get it done already!
As a software developer, that idea can fuck right off. India being on a half hour is enough of a pain in the ass. 6 more half-off time zones is just too much.
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I didn’t care until I had to take care of my niece. During half of the school year it’s dark outside going to the bus. And why are we fighting what nature intended our body clocks to be? I have to get up for work at 4:30AM, it’s hard even with blackout curtains to get the room dark at 8-9PM.
So why not keep time as a constant and if individual places want to change times they can do that
Even just single states can have vastly different sunrise and sunset times and changing 300m people’s schedules so that a few people can have a few extra minutes of sun in the morning for part of the year seems absolutely ridiculous
A local school district could very easily do a 1 hour shift as the sunrise gets later so that it properly aligns with their local school pickup times
Exactly! Why does no one ever consider changing the time they do something instead of making the whole country adjust to time change? I know with schools, maybe their starting times are geared to when parents have to be a work or something, but surely they can figure out how to adjust their particular schedules around their particular needs and leave the rest of us alone.
Just shift it 30 mins instead of an hour to appease everyone.
I'll give you the only argument I ever give for this.
Congress once voted to end it, the backlash from constituents was severe and they could not reimplement it fast enough.
But they changed it suddenly in January, instead of just not changing back in the fall. That was dumb.
They went about it in a stupid way and now we're doomed for all time because it gets pointed to as proof we can never end DST 🥲
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How big is the actual effect on most of the US anyway?
I mean, most of the US is located surprisingly far to the south (e.g. Washington lying on a same latitude as the southern tip of Italy, Los Angeles as Northern Africa), so I would assume it to be not that big a deal, as seasonal changes of daylight are limited?
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