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[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 198 points 1 year ago

"Newsom, a Democrat who championed legalizing cannabis in 2016, said in a statement Saturday that more needs to be done before California decriminalizes the hallucinogens.

“California should immediately begin work to set up regulated treatment guidelines - replete with dosing information, therapeutic guidelines, rules to prevent against exploitation during guided treatments, and medical clearance of no underlying psychoses,” Newsom’s statement said. “Unfortunately, this bill would decriminalize possession prior to these guidelines going into place, and I cannot sign it.”"

At least there's an attempt to have a reasonable explanation.

[-] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 143 points 1 year ago

The whole premise of this veto is that the infrastructure isn't set up for mushrooms to be used as a safe medicine. Which completely ignores the fact that most people who use mushrooms do so recreationally; who gives a shit if it can or can't be used by the medical system? That would be great, but it has no bearing on whether mushrooms should be legalized.

[-] ofcourse@lemmy.ml 88 points 1 year ago

If CA decriminalizes it, everyone would be looking toward the state to see its success or failure. Opponents would try to find any excuse to shut it down whether in CA or other states. So if we can set up guidelines and necessary infrastructure for safe use, both medically and recreationally, it would be better for long term success of psylocybin legalization.

[-] scottywh@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

Already legal in Colorado.

[-] MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com 28 points 1 year ago

Oregon too, as I understand it.

[-] scottywh@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I believe you are correct that they are similarly decriminalized in Oregon although the particulars do differ a bit as I understand it.

[-] Vyvanse@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Oregon started issuing licenses to treatment facilities this year. It took a few years to get the infrastructure in place and to get professional therapists trained, but facilities are now opening up for treatment.

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

And in California, just parts of it. Oakland has outright decriminalization and you can go to smoke shops and buy chocolates. It's still technically illegal in San Francisco, but every large event, or even day in the park, there's some guy walking around openly selling mushrooms and joints.

[-] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Success or failure? It is already been and has been consumed by millions of people for thousands of years. Seems like it is a success to me.

[-] tomi000@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The reason it is even considered to be legalized is the medical use in the first place, not people partying on shrooms. So I donno what youre on about.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

It should be legalized because making a fungus illegal is fucking stupid.

[-] tomi000@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yea like why would guns get banned even though its fun to shoot around recreationally. See how fucking stupid that sounds? Things need to be regulated. While mushrooms are obviously way less dangerous than guns, they can still pose risks for mental and physical health if not handled correctly, and minimizing that risk is very important. Im not saying delaying legalization is justified in this case, but it is definitely a valid approach,as long as measures are taken to improve the situation.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Risks of mushrooms: you might feel like you're gonna die

Risks of guns: you and other people around you might actually die.

Wake the fuck up.

[-] tomi000@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Im so happy decisions like this are not left to 'bro science' morons like you. Took a drug once, suddenly becomes an expert on the matter.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It doesn't even require firsthand experience to understand the point I made, bot

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Guns don't grow naturally without any human even being around. You can forage for psilocybin mushrooms.

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[-] G6MOD@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You have never tried mushrooms or you wouldn't be saying this you don't have any experience or idea what you are talking about. Also don't have experience owning guns we have no respect for your false argument.

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[-] time_lord@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I asked Bing's chatbot who was against the bill (who funded "The California Coalition for Psychedelic Safety and Education"), and this is what it told me.

The California Coalition for Psychedelic Safety and Education does not disclose its sources of funding on its website1. However, some of its members have been involved in other anti-drug campaigns, such as the Drug Free America Foundation and the Partnership for Drug-Free Kids2. These groups have received funding from various sources, including pharmaceutical companies, private foundations, and government agencies2. It is possible that the coalition receives some of its funding from similar sources, but this is not confirmed. The coalition claims to be a grassroots organization of concerned citizens who want to protect public health and safety1.

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[-] annoyedcamel@reddthat.com 180 points 1 year ago

Boo. Everyone boo this man.

[-] navi@lemmy.tespia.org 11 points 1 year ago

HAVE YOU SUCKED DICK FOR COKE???

[-] DigitalTraveler42@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

RIP Bob Saget

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago

So progressive! /s

Pisses me off. It's California! C'mon!

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

Is California not the state of “progressive oh wait not so far let’s walk it back”? That’s how you’re seen by the east coast progressives at least. It’s like how New York is exactly as progressive as Wall Street permits it to be

[-] sik0fewl@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

California is always like the tenth state to do something progressive, not the first.

[-] sosayethme@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Based on what examples? California was literally the first state to legalize medical cannabis.

California established the first auto-emission standards in the U.S. in 1966.

In 2008, the California Supreme Court ruled that same-sex couples have the right to marry. Although the controversial Proposition 8 temporarily halted this later the same year, the precedent had been set, and it was one of the first states to legally recognize same-sex marriage.

The California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) of 2018 was one of the first comprehensive data privacy laws in the U.S.

California has been at the forefront of raising the minimum wage, aiming for $15 an hour before many other states.

Newsom punted and he shouldn't have, but your comment is nonsense.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

True. It just pats itself on the back like Michigan, Washington, and Colorado didn’t beat it to the punch

[-] oyo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Newsom dialing back the progressivism for his presidential run.

[-] capital@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago

California registered voters,

Consider signing this petition. This group needs help getting funding to use psychedelics to treat mental health. They need 1 million signatures and it must be done via wet signatures.

Read up at this link and if it sounds like something you support, please sign.

https://www.treatcalifornia.org/

[-] eighthourlunch@kbin.social 62 points 1 year ago

Sounds like the pharmaceutical companies are still investing in governments.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago

This just Newsom wanting to keep his chances for a future Presidential bid alive. Don't want to see attack ads about him being on shrooms.

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

While it remains illegal on the state and national level, some cities in California have already decriminalized. San Francisco, Oakland, Berkeley and Santa Cruz. Come take your next trip in the Bay area!

[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 year ago

Signs a few good things, vetoes a few good things

Why can't we just get a solidly good governor for a while and not one that oscillates between "ok enough" and "frustrating"

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

At least there are periods of "ok enough". We're stuck with Eric Adams the landlord cop in NYC

[-] joystick@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Newsom supporting the war on drugs. 🤢

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Gavin Newsom failed America by vetoing that bill.

[-] ThatHermanoGuy@midwest.social 25 points 1 year ago

Damn, he's just been vetoing everything lately. Gotta love that race toward the centre.

[-] spider@lemmy.nz 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Newsom's "centrist" tribute to the late Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Gavin Newsom, corporate whore, wannabe esq

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Letting perfect be the enemy of good... again.

[-] RozhkiNozhki@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

"Advocates are attempting to place two initiatives to expand psychedelic use on the November 2024 ballot. One would legalize the use and sale of mushrooms for people 21 and older"

FYI that's Decriminalize California and their signature collection campaign is in full swing. https://decrimca.org/

[-] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago
[-] pissclumps@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Just grow them yourself it's easy enough

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[-] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah. What we clearly need to do is add interdimensionality to the nation with 1.1 firearms per person.

No thanks, War with the Machine Elves.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Federal Drug Administration designated psilocybin as a “breakthrough therapy” for treatment-resistant depression in 2019 and recently published a draft guideline on using psychedelics in clinical trials.

“Psilocybin gave me my life back,” Joe McKay, a retired New York City firefighter who responded to the 9/11 attacks, said at an Assembly hearing in July.

“We’re grateful that Governor Newsom listened to some of the top medical experts, psychedelic researchers and psychiatrists in the country who all warned that legalization without guardrails was at best premature for both personal and therapeutic use,” the coalition said in a statement Saturday.

“This is a setback for the huge number of Californians — including combat veterans and first responders — who are safely using and benefiting from these non-addictive substances and who will now continue to be classified as criminals under California law,” Wiener said in a statement Saturday.

Two years later, Colorado voters also passed a ballot measure to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms and to create state-regulated centers where participants can experience the drug under supervision.

One would legalize the use and sale of mushrooms for people 21 and older, and the other would ask voters to approve borrowing $5 billion to establish a state agency tasked with researching psychedelic therapies.


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