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Hamas says it has taken ‘dozens’ of Israelis hostage (www.nbcnews.com)

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An Israeli military spokesperson confirmed that there were “hostage situations” in the southern city of Ofakim and the nearby kibbutz of Beeri.

Hamas said it had taken “dozens” of Israeli soldiers hostage and moved them to the Gaza Strip as footage emerged appearing to show gunmen in military fatigues leading a group of mostly barefoot women down a street in Israel.

The announcement and video verified by NBC News came hours after Hamas launched a deadly land, air and sea attack and fired a huge barrage of rockets at Israel.

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[+] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 105 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

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[-] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 year ago

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[-] TerryMathews@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

If you punch someone on the nose, you can't expect sympathy when they punch back. This isn't going to produce the result Hamas was going for.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

I mean, Israel is getting sympathy for punching Palestine for the last 75 years.

[-] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If Israel had been any other middle eastern country we would have leveled them when they attacked the USS Liberty. Instead we funded 3% of their national budget for another 60 years.

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[-] Neato@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago

You can say the same thing about Israel as well. They are long past peaceful diplomacy when Israel decides it owns their homes.

[-] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Plenty of blame to go around, of course, but yeah, the Israeli failure to reign in Zionist squatters provides an easy rallying point. Whether or not Hamas is actually working for the interest of the Palestinian people is immaterial to the perception that they are willing and able to stick it to the Israelis.

I've believed for a long time that if Israel actually cared about a proper peace solution, rather than "peace when the other fuckers are all dead", they should've taken inspiration from the Allies and Marshall Planned the fuck out of Palestine. Build up infrastructure and industry, and give the Palestinian people some sense that things will be better, because people who have hope don't become terrorists. But that's obviously not something the Israelis actually want, and they're the ones with the power to change things, so here we are.

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[-] danhakimi@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

It's already produced the result Hamas was going for. They are not fighting for better treatment, they are fighting to cause terror, murder Jews, celebrate their deaths, and revel in their control over the poeple they supposedly govern.

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[-] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

With how skewed the power balance is against them, I support any effort at all to fight against Israel.

[-] danhakimi@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

not every underdog in the world is morally in the right, you know. There's also a huge imbalance in power between the January 6th rioters and the United States Government—are you suggesting the rioters were in the right?

ugh, maybe I don't want to know the answer.

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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, the old "blood and soil" justification. We have a term for people that think this way: Fascist.

[-] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Fkin tankies man 😂

Had the Nazis had a hammer and sickle instead of the hakenkreuz, they would be the biggest Sieg Heilers out there.

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[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, afaik both the Jews and Muslims have a legitimate claim to the land, as both their religions have a long history of that territory being "holy" to them. The problem is that (understandably) the Jews only want to be ruled by Jews, and the Muslims only want to be ruled by Muslims. So Israel and Palestine are incompatible with each other in terms of government, leading to the issue that it'll be extremely hard to get them to shake hands and govern jointly (which, imo, would be the ideal).

That's not excusing Israel for the violence against the Palestinians. It's absolutely horrid. Nor is it excusing Palestine for violence against Israelis. ~~While understandable when looking at their recent history of Israeli aggression, doesn't exactly make them look good.~~ edit: this was written before Hamas just mowed down a field of concert goers. Fucking disgusting. If you have an issue, take it out on the cops or soldiers, not on the people who are just trying to have a good time.

[-] avater@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

The fuck is wrong with you?

[-] danhakimi@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

People frequently feel emboldened to celebrate murder when the people being murdered are Jews.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

So, not because of a long history of brutality towards the Palestinian people, but because they're Jewish? GFTO with that nonsense.

[-] danhakimi@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

The conflict has been raging for a long time. So have many other conflict. Nobody defends attacks on civilians anywhere else in the world; only when the victims are Jewish.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Nobody defends attacks on civilians anywhere else in the world; only when the victims are Jewish.

This is bullshit, I'm afraid. I haven't seen single comment here supporting an attack on Israel civilians. Stop gaslighting.

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[-] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Extrapolating being anti-Israel to being anti-Judaism is ignorant.

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[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Barbarism, like all violence, is never justified. It may be inevitable, but brutalizing innocent People has never and will never accomplish anything of merit. While the origins may be understandable, they in no way justify the actions and in no way further the cause, but definitely impede progress.

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[-] cupcakezealot 85 points 1 year ago

Israeli army does this, Hamas does that

The people suffer.

Religion best begets violence as this just brings us closer to WW3

I hope the Palestinian people and the Israeli people can know peace in this lifetime

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[-] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 59 points 1 year ago

Fuck Hamaz! The only thing that they're good at is misrepresenting all Palestinians as terrorists.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

They have done incredible damage to Palestinians with this attack.

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[-] Clown_Tempura@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

Slowly genociding an entire people and their culture for their land eventually pushes them to commit unspeakable acts of violence to try and save themselves? Interesting.

[-] Owljfien@iusearchlinux.fyi 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You'd think after the atrocities of the 1930/40s they suffered they'd learn to have some empathy for others, but nope

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

How is this saving themselves?

Do they somehow think that brutal violence at civilians will deter Israelis after brutal violence at civilians didn't deter themselves?

No, all they've done here is fuck over both Israeli and Palestinian civilians. Senseless violence and revenge where nobody wins.

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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago

Is this where we're shocked about the Hamas fascist regime doing fascist things? Does the leftists that pretend Hamas isn't fascist rationalize out how they are justified to do this because of "blood and soil"? Probably need to obfuscate the "blood and soil" thing to convince themselves they aren't supporting fascism.

Odd how the actions of fascists are acceptable to leftists if the fascists are of a different religion and ethnicity from themselves.

Shall we continue with the narrative that providing military hardware to Israel to defend themselves from their violent fascist neighbors is different from providing military hardware to Ukraine?

This is who Hamas is. This is what fascists do. There's no real goal other than promoting violence to maintain their power.

People need to stop looking the other way about actions of those they support simply because they want to go along with what everyone else is supporting on the internet. People need to recognize that Palestine has a real fascism problem. Go ahead and criticize Israel if you want, but there won't be peace while Palestine is fascist, because peace is antithetical to fascists.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

Would Palestine have such a problem if Israel stopped encroaching on them? Honest question.

[-] danhakimi@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

There are many people living in Palestine, it's important not to generalize them all as having the same will.

But for Hamas (which holds a majority of the seats in the PA), the answer is unambiguously yes. Their charter explicitly calls for the eradication of Israel, and also of all Jews. Their actions confirm their intent. They are popular and irredeemable.

More generally, a common phrase among Palestinians is "from the river to the sea." There are varying interpretations of this phrase, and its exact meaning, so not everybody who says it means that Israel should be razed off the map, but it likely includes at least a "right of return" for not only Palestinian refugees, but their descendants (who are often confoundingly referred to as refugees themselves). This influx of millions of Arabs into Israel—a democracy—would make it impossible for Israel to function as a safe haven for the Jewish people. That is intentional.

There are a couple of youtube channels going around just asking people questions. Different people have different perspectives. But by and large, Palestinians are not willing to accept current borders, or 1967 borders, or the UN's proposed borders from the 1940s, or any such thing without other concessions that would seriously damage Israel.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

Would Germany have been such a problem if the Treaty of Versailles been more fair? Honest question.

In answering this question do you find yourself in agreement with a certain fascist regime? Thinking the treaty of Versailles was unfair to Germany doesn't make you a Nazi. Thinking that the Nazis were justified in their actions because of the unfairness of that treaty does make you a Nazi.

See that's how fascist propaganda works. Make people focused only on the wrongs done to them while claiming any wrongs done by them is justified.

There is no justification for ethnic cleansing. This is the goal of Hamas. They are evil.

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[-] SuperCuber@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Yes, Hamas will still have their stated goal of killing all Israelis and taking all of the country.

[-] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Of course. Their goal is not to reclaim lands but to destroy israel.

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[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

None of these organized people are worth a penny, both governments, all the terrorist groups, they're all scum, and the people suffer on both sides endlessly because of them.

[-] travelerthe01@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

And of course nobody is seeing the wider range of things. This was obviously caused by Russia and Iran in order to divert western attention from the Ukrainian-Russian war. Start actually giving tools to Ukraine to end Russia and you probably will be ending/preventing conflicts in a lot of places.

[-] elrik@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Western attention was already diverted, particularly in the US with Republicans actively blocking support for Ukraine. If anything, the opportunity for this attack was bolstered by Republican MAGA efforts to unseat McCarthy, as the US is further hampered by a dysfunctional House which now cannot approve aid to Israel (or Ukraine) until they select a new speaker.

[-] travelerthe01@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Totally agree with you, (some) Republicans are helping Russia a lot. Should be investigated where their funding is coming from

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[-] erranto@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

By they way Lemmy.World mods can eat shit too for deleting comments criticizing Israel. because "please engage in good-faith and respect"

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Post pics from the modlog!

Edit; still waiting

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