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And some people said that "socialism doesn't have any incentives"
Its fucking painful that its headline worthy that taxes were used for the betterment of the places they were paid in.
They aren't even used to bomb brown people overseas 😡
Or given to Netanyahu to bomb brown people.
Don't worry, ya boy Trump has you covered. They're bombing brown people side by side with Netanyahu rn
Not for THIS tax money, but American tax money still.
Maybe.
Taxes rarely get any good propaganda, though. I don't mind news stories like this being plastered everwhere if it means people will start believing their government can do something for them again.
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Nd let's not forget that there was an economic benefit too that conservatives will ignore. People were able to get out of their house and go spend money thanks to the people who shoveled. People went to work and kept things going.
Conservatives frequently think these things bring no value, and will absolutely mock it on fox news saying "so people can wALk". But yes, the benefit is they can go keep the economy going.
Its why I don't understand why they are against things like high speed rail. Its an investment. Every time we connect people together trade happens, and economies grow. Its kind of how that works.
I’d love to know what the economic ROI is on paying people that much to clear snow. I bet it’s huge in NYC.
In a city where the vast majority either walk to work, or walk to the subway to get to work, I can't imagine. We clear roadways in the midwest and no one bats an eye, but clearing sidewalks in a walkable city is crazy to them.
It is because they personally do not walk on the sidewalks and don't se employees as people and would rather they just trudged through the drifts to thank them for a paycheck.
They do know that trucks move goods around, which they care about.
Therefore roads being cleared is important to the wealthy and sidewalks are not.
Let's be real, it's not that much money. I mean $30/hr is nice, but that's only when there's enough snow to be worth cleaning, and only half the year. It's not like a full-time position paid $30/hr.
So the investment is relatively small, and the benefit is relatively large.
I've known several people who love that kind of seasonal/day labor kind of work. They can work and save while the work is there and then do contract/part-time in the off season. It's not for everyone but some people make it work.
I wonder how it's set up, can I just put in some hours after my day job or is there a set schedule?
Snow removal is normally an on-call job. There's no need to work when there's no snow to remove. It's not a reliable source of income.
A seasonal job like landscaping or irrigation can be reliable. Snow removal is unfortunately not one of those jobs. It makes sense if you can do multiple similar jobs during the season.
The issue with public transport is that it's an investment that will pay off in years, not next quarter, or even next election. They don't give a fuck if it doesn't benefit them specifically, and right now.
Also, it evens the field. They don't want this because the bottom having more means they are less above them.
Your last point is probably the most important part, it's not about money, it's about classism.
Even more specifically the class struggle they are waging against us and winning.
Plus all the money paid out in wages went back into the local economy for rent, food, etc. It didn't go to offshore tax havens.
Clean energy is another example of an investment which obviously saves money in the long term and also improves the economy in the short term. Conservatives don't care about that because they don't care about the long term, and even if they do, they want all of these issues to still be around so they have something to yell about (since apparently voters only care about something being a problem and can't tell if the 'solution' will actually make things better or worse). There's also a lot of lobbyist money that they can keep on getting by preventing these sorts of investments. If we stopped relying on a couple of oil companies, then those oil companies wouldn't be able to give the politicians money.
Conservative don't want to make things better for everyone, they want to make things better for themselves.
This makes them short sighted and only see the money right in front of their face, which in this case, is going into the pockets of people shovelling snow.
They don't see the benefit because it doesn't benefit them immediately.
But you can bet your life that they will reap the benefit as they pull themselves up by other peoples bootstraps.
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Because everything's a get rich quick scheme or a scam, investments to them are rigging bets on polymarket
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Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
No! Money is only supposed to be hoarded, so you can watch red line go up.
Tell that to conservatives that say to cut taxes and social services.
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How DARE he use MY Tax Money to make MY Life EASIER! EVERYONE knows Tax Money is meant for RICH PEOPLE and NO ONE else!
And some of that money will come back and the cycle will continue.
A basic thing that capitalists can't grasp.
They can grasp it, but they do not care. Sidewalks being cleared doesn't affect you if you are driving everywhere.
Or privileged enough to WFH/pause working when there weather turns.
Ok, but all that money wasted on streets could have gone to a private pocket of a nepo tech startup promising AI billboards that would feed ads to ppl & the city would subsidise to "promote innovation".
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If they just built some more datacentres the snow would naturally melt form the climate change.
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Outside NY, the MAGA faithful condemn this and would rather have the money diverted to billionaires who will one day descend as prophesised, to give them their land of milk and honey
This is great, but I love that he gave the school kids of New York an actual, honest-to-god snow day. No remote class, no logging on.
$30/hr, $45/hr overtime
Yea... that's how time & a half works...
A lot of seasonal workers are exempt from earning overtime.
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Roosevelt did the same thing too when soldiers came back from the war and couldn’t find work and their government Bonds were expired. He designed a lot of unification projects like bridges and all sorts of projects while those bridges are beautiful and they’re still standing today showing that we don’t have to do things cheap and we can still help people that’s grades are under that our governments to do that invest in their people.
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Cool but don't you guys have machines for this?
Asking from Montréal — we might just be more sophisticated with snow removal because of our reality.
In my town they have a snow blower on a small tractor trying to clear walking routes to school. But there always places it cant handle such as a narrow spot or tree or post obstructions on the sidewalk. Maybe a car not pulled in far enough. Kids have to walk in the street until the constriction is passed, unless someone shovels
I’m sure the same is true in nyc: various machinery in most places, but some just can’t fit a machine for various reasons.
Note that they didn’t hire millions of shovelers. If they didn’t have machines doing most of the work, they’d still be shovelling
Can't really use plows or snowblowers on NYC sidewalks. Too many trashbags and sidewalk sheds.
It also just doesn't make sense to invest in huge levels of any of that. How often does NYC get that much snow buildup compared to Montreal? It's almost certainly not worth the maintenance and storage on a shit load of snow blowers, for something that might get one use a year.
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