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Screenshot of this question was making the rounds last week. But this article covers testing against all the well-known models out there.

Also includes outtakes on the 'reasoning' models.

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[-] rimu@piefed.social 167 points 6 months ago

Very interesting that only 71% of humans got it right.

[-] SnotFlickerman 153 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I mean, I've been saying this since LLMs were released.

We finally built a computer that is as unreliable and irrational as humans... which shouldn't be considered a good thing.

I'm under no illusion that LLMs are "thinking" in the same way that humans do, but god damn if they aren't almost exactly as erratic and irrational as the hairless apes whose thoughts they're trained on.

[-] Peekashoe@lemmy.wtf 37 points 6 months ago

Yeah, the article cites that as a control, but it's not at all surprising since "humanity by survey consensus" is accurate to how LLM weighting trained on random human outputs works.

It's impressive up to a point, but you wouldn't exactly want your answers to complex math operations or other specialized areas to track layperson human survey responses.

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[-] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 54 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That "30% of population = dipshits" statistic keeps rearing its ugly head.

[-] daychilde@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

I'm not afraid to say that it took me a sec. My brain went "short distance. Walk or drive?" and skipped over the car wash bit at first. Then I laughed because I quickly realized the idiocy. :shrug:

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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

As someone who takes public transportation to work, SOME people SHOULD be forced to walk through the car wash.

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[-] Greg Fawcett@piefed.social 116 points 6 months ago

What worries me is the consistency test, where they ask the same thing ten times and get opposite answers.

One of the really important properties of computers is that they are massively repeatable, which makes debugging possible by re-running the code. But as soon as you include an AI API in the code, you cease being able to reason about the outcome. And there will be the temptation to say "must have been the AI" instead of doing the legwork to track down the actual bug.

I think we're heading for a period of serious software instability.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 19 points 6 months ago

AI chatbots come with randomization enabled by default. Even if you completely disable it (as another reply mentions, "temperature" can be controlled), you can change a single letter and get a totally different and wrong result too. It's an unfixable "feature" of the chatbot system

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[-] elbiter@lemmy.world 71 points 6 months ago

I just tried it on Braves AI

The obvious choice, said the motherfucker 😆

[-] conartistpanda@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

This is why computers are expensive.

[-] Slashme@lemmy.world 69 points 6 months ago

The most common pushback on the car wash test: "Humans would fail this too."

Fair point. We didn't have data either way. So we partnered with Rapidata to find out. They ran the exact same question with the same forced choice between "drive" and "walk," no additional context, past 10,000 real people through their human feedback platform.

71.5% said drive.

So people do better than most AI models. Yay. But seriously, almost 3 in 10 people get this wrong‽‽

[-] T156@lemmy.world 44 points 6 months ago

It is an online poll. You also have to consider that some people don't care/want to be funny, and so either choose randomly, or choose the most nonsensical answer.

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[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Without reading the article, the title just says wash the car.

I could go for a walk and wash my car in my driveway.

Reading the article... That is exactly the question asked. It is a very ambiguous question.

*I do understand the intent of the question, but it could be phrased more clearly.

[-] bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 months ago

Without reading the article, the title just says wash the car.

No it doesn't? It says:

I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

In which world is that an ambiguous question?

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[-] snooggums@piefed.world 13 points 6 months ago

Have you seen the results of elections?

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[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 64 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

and what is going to happen is that some engineer will band aid the issue and all the ai crazy people will shout “see! it’s learnding!” and the ai snake oil sales man will use that as justification of all the waste and demand more from all systems

just like what they did with the full glass of wine test. and no ai fundamentally did not improve. the issue is fundamental with its design, not an issue of the data set

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[-] aloofPenguin@piefed.world 63 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I tried this with a local model on my phone (qwen 2.5 was the only thing that would run, and it gave me this confusing output (not really a definite answer...):
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it just flip flopped a lot.

E: also, looking at the response now, the numbers for the car part doesn't make any sense

[-] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 6 months ago

Honestly that's a lot more coherent than what I would expect from an LLM running on phone hardware.

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[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I like that it's twice as far to drive for some reason. Maybe it's getting added to the distance you already walked?

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[-] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 6 months ago

Went to test to google AI first and it says "You cant wash your car at a carwash if it is parked at home, dummy"

Chatgpt and Deepseek says it is dumb to drive cause it is fuel inefficient.

I am honestly surprised that google AI got it right.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 74 points 6 months ago

They probably added a system guardrail as soon as they heard about this test. it's been going around for a while now :)

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[-] miraclerandy@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

Gemini set to fast now provides this type of answer.

[-] realitista@lemmus.org 18 points 6 months ago

Extension cord? It must mean a hose extension.

[-] Bluewing@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

I just asked Goggle Gemini 3 "The car is 50 miles away. Should I walk or drive?"

In its breakdown comparison between walking and driving, under walking the last reason to not walk was labeled "Recovery: 3 days of ice baths and regret."

And under reasons to walk, "You are a character in a post-apocalyptic novel."

Me thinks I detect notes of sarcasm......

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

It’s trained on Reddit. Sarcasm is it’s default

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[-] CetaceanNeeded@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

I asked my locally hosted Qwen3 14B, it thought for 5 minutes and then gave the correct answer for the correct reason (it did also mention efficiency).

Hilariously one of the suggested follow ups in Open Web UI was "What if I don't have a car - can I still wash it?"

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[-] vane@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

I want to wash my train. The train wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 6 months ago

Fly, you fool

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[-] BanMe@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

In school we were taught to look for hidden meaning in word problems - checkov's gun basically. Why is that sentence there? Because the questions would try to trick you. So humans have to be instructed, again and again, through demonstration and practice, to evaluate all sentences and learn what to filter out and what to keep. To not only form a response, but expect tricks.

If you pre-prompt an AI to expect such trickery and consider all sentences before removing unnecessary information, does it have any influence?

Normally I'd ask "why are we comparing AI to the human mind when they're not the same thing at all," but I feel like we're presupposing they are similar already with this test so I am curious to the answer on this one.

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[-] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 15 points 6 months ago

There are a lot of humans that would fail this as well. Just sayin.

[-] RobertoOberto@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago

You should consider reading the article before "just sayin."

[-] Hazzard@lemmy.zip 12 points 6 months ago

They also polled 10,000 people to compare against a human baseline:

Turns out GPT-5 (7/10) answered about as reliably as the average human (71.5%) in this test. Humans still outperform most AI models with this question, but to be fair I expected a far higher "drive" rate.

That 71.5% is still a higher success rate than 48 out of 53 models tested. Only the five 10/10 models and the two 8/10 models outperform the average human. Everything below GPT-5 performs worse than 10,000 people given two buttons and no time to think.

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[-] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Ai is not human. It does not think like humans and does not experience the world like humans. It is an alien from another dimension that learned our language by looking at text/books, not reading them.

[-] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 35 points 6 months ago

It's dumber than that actually. LLMs are the auto complete on your cellphone keyboard but on steroids. It's literally a model that predicts what word should go next with zero actual understanding of the words in their contextual meaning.

[-] melfie@lemy.lol 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

My kid got it wrong at first, saying walking is better for exercise, then got it right after being asked again.

Claude Sonnet 4.6 got it right the first time.

My self-hosted Qwen 3 8B got it wrong consistently until I asked it how it thinks a car wash works, what is the purpose of the trip, and can that purpose be fulfilled from a distance. I was considering using it for self-hosted AI coding, but now I’m having second thoughts. I’m imagining it’ll go about like that if I ask it to fix a bug. Ha, my RTX 4060 is a potato for AI.

[-] BluescreenOfDeath@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

There's a difference between 'language' and 'intelligence' which is why so many people think that LLMs are intelligent despite not being so.

The thing is, you can't train an LLM on math textbooks and expect it to understand math, because it isn't reading or comprehending anything. AI doesn't know that 2+2=4 because it's doing math in the background, it understands that when presented with the string 2+2=, statistically, the next character should be 4. It can construct a paragraph similar to a math textbook around that equation that can do a decent job of explaining the concept, but only through a statistical analysis of sentence structure and vocabulary choice.

It's why LLMs are so downright awful at legal work.

If 'AI' was actually intelligent, you should be able to feed it a few series of textbooks and all the case law since the US was founded, and it should be able to talk about legal precedent. But LLMs constantly hallucinate when trying to cite cases, because the LLM doesn't actually understand the information it's trained on. It just builds a statistical database of what legal writing looks like, and tries to mimic it. Same for code.

People think they're 'intelligent' because they seem like they're talking to us, and we've equated 'ability to talk' with 'ability to understand'. And until now, that's been a safe thing to assume.

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[-] criticon@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago

Even when they give the correct answer they talk too much. AI responses contain a lot of garbage. When AI gives you an answer it will try to justify itself. Since they won't give you brief responses the responses will be long.

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