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[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 294 points 2 months ago

I like that they're also banning anyone not doing a similar ban

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 140 points 2 months ago

Ditto. Specially because they're focusing on the executives of those organisations, i.e. the people with actual decision power. That's the right way to do it.

[-] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 66 points 2 months ago

"Hold people accountable or else we will hold you accountable"

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 14 points 2 months ago

Secondary sanctions from a dino convention. Based.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 133 points 2 months ago

Bruh why.. how was this dudes reach into everything

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 110 points 2 months ago

When you're a global criminal organization, you ensure immunity by blackmailing and/or extorting every single person in a position of power as much as possible. There's a reason these monsters have gotten away with it--and continue to get away with it--for so damn long

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 months ago

Also, if you're someone who is seeking power, you do everything you can to suck up to people with it. There are plenty of people in every field who are willing to put up with, or do, horrible things to be treated like they're special.

[-] osanna@thebrainbin.org 31 points 2 months ago

pretty much. Basically everyone who is of note is implicated in the files. It's ridiculous

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 months ago

He did get his start in education. Given a job he was unqualified for by [traitorous] former AG Bill Barr's father (who also wrote creepy pedo sci fi novels)

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[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 75 points 2 months ago

I want to announce that everyone in the Epstein files is banned from my house, with the exception of Bill Gates, who was already banned and is now double banned.

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[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 72 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That motherfucker ~~ruined~~ tarnished dinosaurs too!? edit, i still like dinosaurs.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 49 points 2 months ago

That fucker ruined Linguistics too — he was in friendly terms with Noam Chomsky.

Personally I am not aware on how much Chomsky should be blamed for this association; it's possible Epstein was simply using him. But even in the hypothesis Chomsky is innocent, it stinks.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 31 points 2 months ago

When Chomsky was asked what he corresponded with epstein about years ago, he said essentially "none of your fucking business".

Which is such a bad answer, I am half inclined to believe he just wanted help filing his taxes and a guilty Chomsky would have the sense to lie.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 14 points 2 months ago

I am half inclined to believe he just wanted help filing his taxes and a guilty Chomsky would have the sense to lie.

Yup, that sounds like him. He isn't above bullshitting but not bothering to bullshit hints he believed he had nothing to hide.

I guess he's still in the "when in doubt, treat them as innocent" category for me.

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[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 27 points 2 months ago

Chomsky adviced Epstein on how to deal with the public backlash, for Epstein being a convicted pedophile. There is no evidence that Chomsky did something illegal, but it certainly stinks.

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[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 21 points 2 months ago

Sadly there's a lot of intelectuals that were involved, Lawrence Krauss, Noem Chomsky, Steven Hawking just scratching the surface.

[-] varjen@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

No one should be surprised that known sex pest Krauss was mixed up with Epstein.

[-] Pofski@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

How the heck was Stephen Hawking involved??

[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 17 points 2 months ago
[-] Pofski@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

I have no words to explain the levels of disappointment and rage I am feeling at this moment.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 62 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean if your company is owned or adminstrated by an epstein associate they should be forced to put up a sign and register as a sex offender (corporations are people, after all).

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This message brought to you by Microsoft*

(*Microsoft is a registered sex offender)

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[-] Mantzy81@aussie.zone 61 points 2 months ago

Geez, lots of paleontologists have skeletons in their closets.

Sorry

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 13 points 2 months ago

I for one, enjoyed your pun.

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[-] doug@lemmy.today 37 points 2 months ago

It’s a low bar.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 months ago

For a second there at first I thought DinoCon referred to the DNC.

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[-] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 30 points 2 months ago

You can PUNISH People who RAPED LITTLE CHILDREN?

-Americans!

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[-] lmmarsano@group.lt 30 points 2 months ago

What part of science is guilt by association fallacy? Rash judgement is at odds with science. Did you know criminals can associate with noncriminals?

To flip this around, ostracizing others "out of safety" for associating with ex-convicts (who had been processed & released to society) is morally compromised & dishonest, ie, immoral. Talking to someone who did something wrong doesn't imply you did something wrong. Neither does taking their money. Indulging fallacies is not a hallmark of scientific thought & is more consistent with the repressive, medieval thought scientists fought very hard to overcome.

Sages of major religions famously associated with undesirables: outcasts, untouchables, murderers, dangerous felons, etc. By the "logic" of that announcement, communities should have banned Buddha & Jesus (also mentioned in the Epstein files). Those that didn't were "deplorable" for "not taking firm action to protect" members "in light of" blanket "allegations" that fail to specifically accuse them. If they were sanctimonious enough, they too could have done "more".

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[-] midribbon_action 50 points 2 months ago

In case you missed it, these are people who knew Epstein was an unrepentant child molester. Epstein was proven guilty in court, made no statements of remorse, and these scientists continued to validate and support his behavior for years after, up until his death. If he had accepted responsibility for his crimes, I would feel differently about people who decide to associate with him while he spent the rest of his life in prison. But I doubt these scientists would have. The reason they liked Jeffrey was because he got away with everything. They admired his ability to rape on an industrial scale without consequences.

Nobody should ever be guilty by association. However, nobody is entitled to be a respected dino scientist. That is something you earn, and I see no reason not to include their feelings about child rape when discussing whether most attendees would feel comfortable with them at a conference.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

According to the Montana Standard, after his name surfaced in the released files, Horner posted, and later deleted, a social media statement calling his decision to pursue Epstein’s support an extremely poor judgment. He said that while he knew Epstein had been convicted of soliciting prostitution, he was unaware of Epstein’s broader sex trafficking operation until years later.

Horner wrote that his visit involved only Epstein, staff, and several women introduced as college students. [...]

I can see where the judgement lapse happened, but that's a pretty big lapse. I'm pretty ok removing these folk until the dust settles from events like this.

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 13 points 2 months ago

Sounds like Horner was being willfully ignorant, or pretending to be, about the trafficking.

Either way he can fuck off.

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[-] Gonzako@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

Since justice ain't working people are taking it upon themselves.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 16 points 2 months ago

Nah. The guilt by association fallacy is more like:

  • [P1] Hitler ate bread.
  • [P2] Hitler was a bad person.
  • [C] Thus if you eat bread, you're as bad as Hitler.

That is not even remotely close to what the DinoCon is doing. If we interpret their actions as an argument, it's more like:

  • [P1] Knowingly associating yourself with a bad person makes you a bad person.
  • [P2] Those people knowingly associating themselves with Epstein, a bad person.
  • [C] Thus those people are bad people.

You might disagree with the first premise (it's a moral premise, so it depends on your values), but the argument is perfectly logical.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 points 2 months ago

Socializing with known child molesters is beyond the pale. If the government isn't going to deal with them properly one of the better options for the rest of us is to exile them from society. Anyone that's not on board with this can fuck off right along with them.

[-] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

I normally agree with you about guilt by association, but these people are currently an IMMINENT threat to every living thing on the planet. I am truly ok with a small amount of collateral damage to excise the cancer before it STRANGLES US TO DEATH. They control everything. Every mechanism of power or change. We cannot allow them the very obvious influence over the extensive investigation that their position afford. We need to purge our power structures of this before anything else can be done about it.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

At some point it comes down to incentives, to not shun such terrible people just helps increase their influence. Accepting their money makes it look like you think what they did isn't bad. Terms like greenwashing exists just highlight this problem, we have to make it clear it's unacceptable to behave like that and that you can not buy your way out of consequences.

It's basic risk assessment

Literally everything else you're talking about is solved by ensuring due process is followed

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[-] xorollo@leminal.space 26 points 2 months ago

Wow so many pedo apologizers in the comments.

[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 months ago

I never thought I would see pedophilia become a political issue.

The MAGA cult is real.

[-] BambiDiego@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 months ago

My online friend lists have been through the chopping block recently, a good society must have intolerance for the intolerant and devious.

There's zero excuse for an adult to sexually assault a child, or to have known and kept the secret.

[-] Lemmynated@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 months ago

DinoCon for pres

[-] Tehdastehdas@piefed.social 15 points 2 months ago
[-] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 47 points 2 months ago

That is a poor response to DinoCon’s post. The con does not appear to be banning anybody who was named in the files, but is banning those who corresponded with Epstein's organisation after his crimes had become public knowledge.

The man trafficked and raped children. If you want to email the billionaire pedophile to look for fossils on one of his rape-properties, you are a deplorable cunt and being banned from a con is the smallest punishment you are owed.

This guy goes on to say that this is virtue signalling? How? The con is banning people. It is seemingly backing up its post, not basking in the idea of being anti-pedophile. It is making this decision known to the public, as the Epstein files have become a pervasive part of our lives right now. Knowing a person linked to a pedophile rapist may be attending a con could affect attendees, so getting the word out is smart.

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[-] brennesel@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 months ago

I did a bit of research. As near as I can tell, there’s one (one!) paleontologist listed in the Epstein Files as “having contact with the Epstein organization,” Dr. Jack Horner.

What does "I did a bit of research" even mean? Couldn't it be that DinoCon was told about other cases that he is not aware of?

Banning people for being in the Epstein Files is stupid.

Sounds like a typical straw man argument to me. "engaged in correspondence" is not the same as "being in the files".

I’m in the Epstein Files

Maybe he felt that it applied to himself and therefore did not read the announcement carefully.

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[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 14 points 2 months ago

To be fair, if I was a powerful or important person, and I found out this guy can get me anything, and didn't know he was a pedophile, I'd want to network too. (Also to be fair, his face would scare me away too).

What do you think the odds are that these Paleontologists are kiddie diddlers?

[-] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 65 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

after the conviction

Yeah no pity there.

[-] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Here's the cool thing, I don't give a single fuck why you were communicating with the guy. If you had a relationship with him, you get thrown in the wood chipper. After every single person is thrown in, we can sort through the pile of viscera and determine guilt.

We CANNOT allow these people to remain in the position of power they are in for the duration of the obviously EXTENSIVE investigation that is needed.

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[-] KirbyBoi66@lemmy.org 13 points 2 months ago

Based paleontologists

[-] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

What a time we live in, where somehow this is a hot take. Reading these comments just makes me sad, like how do we have so many fucking boot lickers that are defending associates of child rapists. Good fuck man this society is so trashed. I don't think we come back from this timeline. We are beyond saving.

[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago
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