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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 114 points 2 years ago

aside from the issue of 'prohibition still doesn't work', i don't think giving kids or "underage" adults criminal charges for cigarettes is making anything better for anyone

[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 83 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Smoking age is specifically the ability to purchase. There are no criminal/civil charges for underage smoking. The crimes are specifically 1) selling to minors 2) buying for minors.

TL;DR: No one goes/will go to jail for underage smoking. They won’t even get in trouble for buying. The onus is on the vendor OR the legal purchaser who handed them off.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 31 points 2 years ago

Incorrect.

A black market is created, kids still smoke, but poor people making a buck selling to kids go to jail.

It doesn't fix the issue and syphons poor people into prisons.

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[-] genoxidedev1@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

I know this is pretty radical, but if we made smoking FFA way fewer people should theoretically start smoking in the first place. From my experience when I was still at school most of the people there were only smoking because it's "cool", making smoking legal for everyone should take the coolness factor away at least.

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[-] WheelcharArtist@lemmy.world 70 points 2 years ago

how to create a blackmarket with health issues

[-] TheWoozy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I'd prefer they start at 60 and raise it every year, but I'll take what I can get.

[-] who8mydamnoreos@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

Sunak should start publicly smoking all the time, then it will be the lamest thing and teen smoking will crater.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

Man the fuck up and outlaw it for everyone instead of this sneaky prohibition that only affect people that can't vote yet. It's such a cowardly, disingenuous way of doing it.

[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 36 points 2 years ago

Prohibition never works, the best bet is to keep it legal and make it as inconvenient as possible like: raising taxes on tobacco, make it illegal to smoke outside of dedicated zones (Quebec has done it I believe), fine people who litter their cigarette butts (hard to implement but, it might deter a large majority from doing it), keep helping smokers to quit and keep raising awareness for younger people.

[-] nathris@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago

This is the way. There are so few places to smoke in BC that I pretty much only ever see people doing it 5 metres from a bus stop.

They are so expensive that the few people that still do it smoke maybe a pack a week.

We even banned the sale of no-nic vape juice because they were becoming a gateway to nicotine addiction for teenagers.

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[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

This method stops current smokers from being criminalised.

If you ban it like prohibition, you will instantaneously create a black market. Continually increasing the age you can buy cigarettes is easier. Everyone that this effects will not have the option to legally create a cigarette habit/addiction.

A straight up outlawing would have the maximum effect. But it would be costly to enforce, whilst increasing overall criminal activity.

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[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 years ago

Cool, when does the minimum age for joining the military start to raise by one year every year?

[-] regbin_@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

What's with the whataboutism?

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago

They're right, there shouldn't be recruiters in school that's predatory as shit.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Do they do that in the UK? I didn't think they were quite so gung-ho about their military.

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[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago

It's directly related. Why are 18 year olds able to lock themselves into a 6 year contract that they might be killed before they see the end of, when they are, legally, too dumb to make their own decisions regarding a chemical they put in their bodies?

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[-] Icaria@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

NZ already did this and it is the most cowardly way to avoid political blowback.

There's plenty of other options for minimising smoking. A more altruistic way is by lifting people out of poverty and tackling social disintegration, since smokers are overwhelmingly poor and disaffected.

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[-] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 23 points 2 years ago

No no no, minimum age should increase by 360 days every year, that way people can still have hope that some day they'll be able to smoke. Staying true to how capitalism works.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 15 points 2 years ago

“We operate a Check-74 policy. If you are lucky enough to look younger than 70, we will ask for ID when buying cigarettes”

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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago
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[-] quicken@aussie.zone 14 points 2 years ago

New Zealand has done this

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

This better not apply to vaping.

I vaped for a few years and then stopped. Quitting was pretty damn easy imo

[-] brap@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Agreed. I stopped smoking by switching to vaping, slowly reducing to 0mg and then realised I hadn’t used it for a week so got rid of it all.

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[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Back in my day we used to smoke up hill both ways in the rain and snow.

[-] Mr_nutter_butter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

So he's nicking what newzeland did ok cool something that he's not going to profit from for a change atleast

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

As UK economy continues to crumble, Rishi is focusing on the real issues.

[-] Teddybearalleymngr@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago

Not a smoker or wannabe one but if someone is just one year behind in their age, they'll never be able to legally smoke with this setup.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 29 points 2 years ago

I believe that's the intention yes.

[-] droans@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Yes, that's how both time and math works.

[-] locuester@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 years ago

Correct, that’s the point. I’m fancy, there would be a day cutoff. Likely 1/1 of some year.

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[-] fox2263@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Big tobacco trying to kill big vape by making it exciting again to smoke and break the law

[-] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago

If he wanted it to work he could make cigarettes more lethal. Kill you in a couple of months type of thing.

(Clearly not a serious suggestion in case you wonder)

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[-] Shamefortheshameless@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

Save the people from themselves. They are too ignorant to have control of their bodies.

[-] bear@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago

You could just as easily day "oh, ban asbestos? I guess we gotta save everybody from themselves, what a nanny state."

This is bad logic that can be applied to any safety law. As a society we observe and mitigate known harms, because we can't expect every citizen to be up to date on every possible way to harm themselves without realizing it or understanding the true scope of the damage being done.

So yes; sometimes as a society we decide to save ourselves from ourselves. There's nothing wrong with that.

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[-] Occamsrazer@lemdro.id 6 points 2 years ago

I hate smoking stock photos. Clearly she has never smoked in her life.

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