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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 207 points 1 year ago

Want to ignore 26 laws to destroy protected wildlife refuge in order to build Trump's wall for him? Sure! No problem!

Want to do anything that might benefit the poor? "No you stupid progressive. This must be your first election because you don't understand how anything works. Everyone knows that we need a quorum of both houses to convene in a graveyard at midnight under a blood moon on the third Tuesday of the month, in accordance with the infield fly rule. Then, we wait for the appearance of the Great Pumpkin, so that we may know how to proceed."

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 year ago

Here's what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/

TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.

This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.

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[-] Retrograde@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Spoken like a true John Oliver, bravo and agreed

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[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 135 points 1 year ago

I wasn’t aware a president could just “waive away” federal law.

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The controversial work, which included construction on federally designated wilderness, was permitted under the Real ID Act. Created in the wake of the September 11 attacks, the act grants DHS the authority to waive any law, including bedrock statutes meant to safeguard the environment and areas of cultural significance, to build border barriers in the name of national security

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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago

The article is misleading, Biden is actually explicitly not ignoring this law that is from 2019: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/

TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.

This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.

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[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago

Patriot Act had a lot of babies

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Why do you think The President is beholden to congress? The separation of powers explicitly says that isn't the case and if there is something the president is doing that the other 2 branches of government say he shouldn't do, there is a specific process for such a thing. Otherwise he has enormous leeway to do what he feels should be done even if some dumb asses in congress or on the internet don't want it to be the case.

[-] Changetheview@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

I get what you’re saying, but there’s a lot more to separation of powers than this. You might be well aware of all this, but for those that aren’t, here’s a giant wall of text.

The executive branch’s powers are clearly defined and including acting as the head of the military, the head of foreign affairs, and the executor of the laws congress passes. It is quite restricted by congress in many ways. Of course, the executive branch has emergency powers and limited ways around the laws congress enacts, but that’s not the default and it is very much intended to be restricted by congress.

The executive branch also has room to make interpretations (create regulations) and to prioritize certain laws when they come into conflict.

This is what they’re doing here. They have weighed the laws (from congress) they are tasked with enforcing, which includes (a) specific immigration restrictions and (b) a variety of other ones that could impact their ability to execute the immigration restrictions (the “26” laws waived, including water and environmental protections). The DHS (an executive branch agency) has determined that (b) these 26 place an undue burden that prevents them from executing (a) the immigration restrictions, and is therefore temporarily waiving (b).

You can read the actual order here: https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2023-22176.pdf

Notice that it does not say it’s randomly waiving laws of its own accord without a law that it is executing. It is clearly referencing the statues (enacted by congress) that it is acting on. It is identifying that it is failing to execute some laws, but only so it can prioritize another one it has deemed more important for this specific action. It’s also become popular for the executive branch to use emergency decrees to act unilaterally, but these are supposed to be much more limited and a functioning judiciary/congress should hold the executive accountable when this happens.

What the executive branch is NOT doing here is very important too. It is NOT deciding it doesn’t want to do what congress says. Congress could rewrite the immigration law or any of the other 26 laws to change the way the executive branch executes them, if it feels the executive is implementing them wrong. And the judicial branch could easily weigh in on this if someone affected brings the case to them.

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[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's fine. When the migrant workers and others performing the "unsavory" jobs aren't around to fulfill them any longer, we'll just fill the positions with influencers who aren't doing any real work anyway. Although I think it would be funny as hell to see Trump in an orange jumpsuit working the fields.

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[-] kebabslob 83 points 1 year ago

Student loans: I sleep

Title 42 + building new border walls: Real shit?

[-] hansl@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

Did you miss todays announcement about student loans relief?

[-] kebabslob 19 points 1 year ago

Yes! What was it? Oh my god I hope they're actually gonna do something that affects me for once

[-] hansl@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

The Biden administration has approved debt relief for an additional 125,000 student loan borrowers, totaling $9 billion in forgiveness, the White House said Wednesday.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/politics/biden-student-loan-debt-forgiveness/index.html

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 66 points 1 year ago

That is literally just them correcting admistrative errors not new relief

[-] hansl@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Can’t find any mention of that. As far as we know this is new relief.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 year ago

Its literally in the article you linked

[-] kebabslob 23 points 1 year ago

And its also fucking nothing. A drop in the bucket compared to the $10,000 promised to all. "Much supreme court" we know damn well there's more he can do

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[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 year ago

What? From union buster segregationist eulogizing Joe?

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[-] Holyginz@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

My first guess is that it was something they had to agree to as part of a deal. Like to keep the government open or something like that. Could very well be wrong though.

[-] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

This was my guess as well but neither the linked source nor any other one I can find explain exactly why he did it.

[-] Holyginz@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

It just feels so out of left field for the administration. I'm not saying the Biden administration is perfect cause its not, but border walls are not something he has ever given any indication of having as a priority.

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[-] OlPatchy2Eyes@dormi.zone 14 points 1 year ago

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/

Found this. Basically the claim here is that funds were allocated to this project, and although some of those funds were redirected, congress never deallocated the rest, and therefore they have to continue to be used. I'm not totally convinced but it's a more nuanced take than the comments here.

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[-] Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Why??? We're experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs nobody wants to do and there is an entire wave of people ready to get their foot in the door in our country. They're not criminals either, all the people I know who are immigrants from Spanish speaking countries are kind, practical, outgoing, intelligent and hard workers- they definitely know how to party too. I wish more people would learn Spanish so we could fix this disconnect between the US and its neighbors.

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago

We're experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs nobody wants to do

We're experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs no one wants to do AT THE WAGES THE EMPLOERS WANT TO PAY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE VULNERABLE TO EXPLOITATION.

There's not a shortage of workers, but of wages.

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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 year ago

Here's what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/

TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.

This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.

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[-] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

According to government data, about 245,000 illegal entries have been recorded in this region during the current fiscal year.

This is an extremely complex issue, but let’s just consider that number for a minute.

That’s about 671 people every day. About 28 each hour. Damn.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 year ago

Oh god oh fuck people moving across an imaginary line

[-] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Those bastards can’t speak American, and they’re taking all those jobs away that I’d never even consider doing!

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[-] Jamie@jamie.moe 23 points 1 year ago

And adding 0.081% to the population every year are stealing all the good jobs uh... checks notes, working in construction and on ranches where actual citizens usually don't want to work anyway.

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[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

"Nothing will fundamentally change"

[-] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

Won't a wall, supposing it's somewhat effective at mitigating unlawful entry over the surface, simply encourage even more risky behavior such as (more?) tunneling and/or attempts at entering via the Gulf?

Also, for cat lovers out there, you might want to note this detail that just adds to the suffering this will perpetuate:

Concern is shared with environmental advocates who say structures will run through public lands, habitats of endangered plants and species like the Ocelot, a spotted wild cat.

Finally, wouldn't the more modern, humane, and fiscally responsible solution to this whole issue be migration reform such that people can more easily, legally enter the country? More people become citizens, more tax revenue, governments' budgets may still be tight but more manageable (supposing they continue to insist on avoiding taxing businesses more).

Don't get me wrong, though, I realize a big part of why it's not being addressed that way is related to fearmongering, with another big part being exploited migrant labor.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Fun fact, we closed the southern border because of racism in the 1800s. Before then, people could travel freely, and it wasn't a problem in the slightest.

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[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

20 miles isn't enough to cover any form of meaningful distance. I wonder what's going on in that county for this to be pushed for, especially since the DHS didn't release any actual details about it.

I suppose a fence would technically count as a wall.

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[-] Melkath@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

They. Are. All. The. Same. Party.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 40 points 1 year ago

This is absolutely not true. This Democratic president allowed this one 20 mile section of border wall to be built, and also supports DACA, common sense immigration reform to increase legal immigration, increased work visas, and more. The leading Republican candidate is trying to build thousands of miles of wall, thinks people should be shot trying to cross the border, and says some people who are US citizens with Latin American heritage should be deported and their citizenship revoked. Where in the living fuck are you getting your information

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[-] Changetheview@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

“It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.” George Carlin

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