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[-] timestatic@feddit.org 105 points 3 months ago

Let me guess... You have an Nvidia card.

[-] Morph9@lemmy.zip 50 points 3 months ago
[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 37 points 3 months ago

So you are living in an illusion of choice, while your options are obviously determined by the big corpo that you relied on for getting that card

(Saying that, I got an NVIDIA card like a dumbass too)

[-] Morph9@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 months ago

....more like a gifted old laptop, but yeah.

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[-] KindaABigDyl@programming.dev 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My 16G RTX-3080 Mobile works well with Niri

I've found it varies from compositor to compositor:

  • Plasma? Mid on Nvidia
    • Constantly I have issues and I can't even solve them myself
    • I have plasma working on Ubuntu Studio on a laptop I use for music making which has some Nvidia card, and that works fine, but not on my main Arch install
  • GNOME? Works okay until you want to do something with portals like screen recording
    • Even if I use a different portal, GNOME overrides it.
  • Hyprland? Works amazing EXCEPT for random tiny issues
    • Also I had to do a lot of tweaking
    • Every now and then some program will not start or something
    • But generally pretty good
  • Sway? Garbo support
    • Nvidia may not even boot. Lots of tweaking. Lots of issues
  • Cosmic? For wayland - solid
    • For everything else... it needs a little work still
    • I also tried Cosmic Shell + Niri, and it just kinda didn't work in some ways like theming, but Wayland worked great.
    • Also performance with multi-displays is kinda poor, or at least it was when I tried it.
  • But Niri? Perfect
    • Absolutely FLAWLESS Wayland. EVERYTHING works
    • And now that I have DMS there's so much done for me. It's really a great system

Since I love the scrolling aspect of Niri as well, it works out well that it has the best Wayland support. 10/10 project. I love it

When I was on X11 still I was primarily an i3 user, and the transition to Hyprland and Niri has been generally positive

But yeah, I've worked with Nvidia on Linux for several years now on multiple machines. I'm finally throwing in the towel whenever I buy a new PC. AMD all the way. It's just better on Linux, even on X11

[-] Morph9@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 months ago

Maybe ill check niri next. Any good distro to test it with?

[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

CachyOS has it out of the box in their installer.

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[-] sefra1@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Protip: People who have iGPU + nvidia can just set the iGPU as main GPU on the BIOS and offload 3D programs to the nvidia via prime-run like they would on a laptop.

That's my setup.

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[-] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 5 points 3 months ago

The latest Nvidia drivers have broken composition in Xfce, so I've been raw-dogging basic X11. It's like I'm using WinXP again.

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[-] themoken@startrek.website 65 points 3 months ago

Wayland is a sports car - modern, tailor made for performance. X is like a '99 Civic that's had the seatbelts stripped out and the airbags replaced with cameras that let all the other cars on the road see you naked.

It's fine to prefer X, but the older it gets the more people are going to roll their eyes at you. XWayland is fine for random old stuff, but there is zero reason X should be running your whole display these days.

Inb4 someone mentions network transparency that gimps the rest of the system or some 5000 year old app that needs to sniff events sent to every other program.

[-] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 23 points 3 months ago

And the network transparency argument is long gone. While you can indeed network windows over the wire, most toolkits use client side rendering/decorations. So you're just sending bloated pixmaps across the wire when things like RDP , VNC, etc deal better with compression, damage to the window, etc. And anything relying or accelerated with DRI3 is just NOT network transparent.

Most modern toolkits have moved past X11 because the X protocol was severely lacking, and there wasn't a good way as a committee to modify the protocol in an unified manner. I mean look at the entire moving Earth that it took for XFixes and Damage extensions. Toolkits wanted deep access to the underlying hardware and so they would go out of their way to work around X, because it just could not keep up.

[-] themoken@startrek.website 13 points 3 months ago

Agreed. I was an early Wayland convert because once upon a time I started writing a WM and taking an interest in X internals... And then my face melted off like I'd opened the Ark of the Covenant.

Things are so much simpler now.

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[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 6 points 3 months ago

Plenty life in X11 yet.

Xlibre running around.

Pheonix on the horizon. (Zig!)

[-] themoken@startrek.website 21 points 3 months ago

An anti-DEI fork by a wingnut and a project that isn't even half way ready to use starting from scratch in a niche language. Neither of which are capable of dealing with the fundamental problem of X, the protocol itself, without becoming something entirely different.

... I'm not holding my breath.

[-] zurohki@aussie.zone 14 points 3 months ago

If you deal with the fundamental problems of the protocol itself and also provide backwards compatibility... Congrats, you've just reinvented Wayland and XWayland.

Dealing with X11's problems while still being X11, when X11 is the problem? Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath either.

[-] enumerator4829@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago

The fundamental architectural issue with Wayland is expecting everyone to implement a compositor for a half baked, changing, protocol instead of implementing a common platform to develop on. Wayland doesn’t really exist, it’s just a few distinct developer teams playing catch-up, pretending to be compatible with each other.

Implementing the hard part once and allowing someone to write a window manager in 100 lines of C is what X did right. Plenty of other things that are bad with X, but not that.

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I honestly don’t know where people are getting these Wayland issues. I’m on EndeavorOS with an RTX 3080ti and multiple monitors and it has worked flawlessly for ~2 years now.

[-] zurohki@aussie.zone 22 points 3 months ago

There's probably a lot of people on 'stable' distros who are still running Wayland code from a couple of years ago and hitting bugs that have been fixed already.

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[-] anon5621@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Screen sharing of rustdesk on hyperfland/sway or others similars de are mess, things simply doesn't work, drag and drop between virtual box and host system is mess once it works once it not

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[-] ISolox@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

Wayland is overall just better. I know there are plenty of apps that keep people on X11 just because they don't properly support/work on Wayland yet, but other than that I'm not sure why you would want to stay on X11.

[-] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 10 points 3 months ago

The software you use working correctly is kind of a big deal, though.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

The overwhelming majority of systems consist of one monitor. For the minority on two monitors the overwhelming majority have 2 low DPI monitors or 2 high DPI monitors.

For those with mixed DPI screens only recently has any system supported scaling xwayland apps appropriately on such setups meaning some apps look like garbage and they still do on gnome. xrandr --scale to scale per screen has worked since 2003 and per screen fractional scaling works on Cinanamon under X right now.

To revise

90% of everyone

Single screen: Wayland == X Multiple similar DPI Wayland == X

5%

Mixed DPI with a mix of Wayland on X apps on every desktop but KDE X > Wayland

5%

Mixed DPI with a mix of wayland and X apps on KDE Wayland > X Mixed DPI with only wayland apps Wayland > X

I wonder why something that is only better for 5% and worse for 5% and requires 100% to deal with bugs missing features and growing pains has negative feelings attached!

[-] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 4 points 3 months ago

Wayland is like how windows people say Linux is.

It works and is Incredible, but on X11 things just work.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

I have the opposite experience. Multi monitor setup for my was always a half broken hassle on X11 and just works on Wayland.

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[-] Twongo@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

i ran arch with 2 monitors with different refresh rates on a rtx2060, idk why everyone's complaining. my screenshare issues were my fault or i didn't update vesktop which i can't fault due to it being like a "pirate" client for discord.

so what's everyone's issue with wayland?

[-] Aganim@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

KDE on Wayland has only very recently started to become workable for me, before that it was utter crap as I switch between home and office with my laptop, with varying display setups. In that case you got stuff like screen positions not being remembered and applications consistently starting off screen, requiring gymnastics to coax them onto a display.

And regularly it would crap out and not show output to one of the displays, if you opened up display manager you'd see the displays not touching and a big red error telling you that gaps betweens displays aren't supported. Well here's a brilliant idea, how about not automatically putting a gap between them in that case?

As I said, last few months it works better (although I still encounter some issues from time to time that I never had on X11). But the whole Wayland protocol had such a rough start, with issues encountered often being downplayed by parts of the community because "it's better and we don't want to hear otherwise", that I simply cannot feel any love for it anymore. There was too much basic stuff that took too long to support, while people were shouting "but HDR!", "better code!". I don't fucking care, I just want to be able to work and for too long that required X11.

Edit: some typo's and improved readability.

[-] Morph9@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

On my old nvidia laptop with Endeavouros i have some minor lag from time to time, nothing too crazy. But there are a couple of things i can't make work. For start i can't lower the gamma with xrandr, wlr-randr should work but my nvidia give me the middle finger. Secondly i can't, for the love of me, find a decent onscreen keyboard app to use. I can technically enable the touchscreen keyboard in my desktop adding KWIN_IM_SHOW_ALWAYS=1 but is just too bothersome to have it pop-out everywhere. Also, while most of the app-images works, last time i've tried running this one https://github.com/ryzendew/Linux-Affinity-Installer it crashed 9 times out of 10. All of this works just fine on x11.

[-] irelephant@anarchist.nexus 12 points 3 months ago

I honestly haven't noticed a different except Wayland feeling a bit faster.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago

You'll only see when you open your xeyes.

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago

I wish Wayland would do basic shit like save my window positions for multi-screens. I hate having to set that up every time I reboot.

[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 13 points 3 months ago

Wouldn't that be a matter for your window manager?

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

tbf to this thread, wayland wasn't really viable until 2023.

I made an existing comment on this that people didn't like because I pointed out that most of Wayland's "modern upgrades" like VRR, HDR, etc were unimplemented or unfinished for years. Even HDR is still "beta" on KDE iirc.

People also like to pretend the triple buffer wasn't a can of worms for many users for a very long time (and still is on low power devices).

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[-] rickdg@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

So what's not working in wayland? Screenshots? Remote desktop? Screen recording? Display in general?

[-] zurohki@aussie.zone 7 points 3 months ago

I feel like a lot of people tried Wayland in 2020, a bunch of things didn't work and they've been permanently traumatised.

I switched my laptop years ago, but my desktop only fairly recently - multi screen, mixed DPI with variable refresh rates for gaming took longer to be ready than my laptop's single screen, normal DPI, fixed refresh rate config.

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[-] Solely_a_Catt@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago

My window manager (Am using awesome rn)

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[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

I can't believe that these arguments never mention one of the central tenets of engineering: don't fix what ain't broke. And Wayland breaks a bunch of what ain't broke.

Yeah it's newer etc. people don't care.

[-] mech@feddit.org 30 points 3 months ago

X was broken as fuck and held together by duct tape and zip ties, as long as no one looked at it wrong.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago

X is broken in many different ways. It has a huge codebase made to support a poor design that was optimized for machines 40 years ago. No one wants to touch the code base since it is so incredibly fragile plus the original developers are much older now.

In all fairness, it did work for way longer than anyone expected. I doubt the original designers of the X protocol anticipated it lasting this long.

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[-] HereIAm@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So I recently updated pop from 22.04 to 24.04. The only real headache I've had is running games through proton. Games now start in windows, which might not even show up at all until I super + F11 to full screen it. The mouse gets stuck in either a corner or the middle, sometimes the cursor works in the menus but stops working on the game itself. Gamescope can fix some of these issues, but alt-tabbing is always an adventure if it breaks the game or not.

An annoying thing is it is very hard to figure out where an issue lies. Is it wayland, is it Cosmic, is it gamescope, or proton? Any tips or tricks people might have would be appreciated.

It's a shame, because I want to like Wayland. i don't know what magic system 76 worked in x11 but the only issue I had before was some tearing when moving windows around. 2 monitors of different resolution and framerate with nvidia.

[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 4 points 3 months ago

This is brilliant.

But I like this.

Yus. Perfect meme. Well said.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago

Man I thought it was about the new European twitter concurrent. The replies did make no sense for a while 😅

[-] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

kde, hyprland and mangowc are working without issues for me on cachyos with gtx1660

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