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submitted 3 weeks ago by DSN9@lemmy.ml to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 69 points 3 weeks ago

Treat it like a troll post. Downvote and move on, if the name becomes familiar block them.

This goes for all propaganda not just the stuff you are against.

[-] hector@lemmy.today 19 points 3 weeks ago

That assumes you accurately define propaganda. I think we've all faced half baked allegations as such, and had people vote with the accuser, you want everyone to be seperated from each other on here because they misunderstood a point, or understood different facts, or because they are a dumbass on a different topic?

Just downvote, and move on, unless the person is stalking you, looking at you hexrat, or whatever fucking mammal.

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 62 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There'a a global positive shift in opinion on China that's happened over the first year of Trump. The trend was already there in the "Global South" but it's now happening everywhere. This shift is driven by real economic and geopolitical pressures. E.g. US tariffs and military threats, Chinese investment and cheap EVs, etc. Add to that there are more people on Lemmy from non-NA/EU countries than on US-centric platforms like Reddit and this shift becomes even more apparent here. In Western countries the positive opinion on China is less one of an ally and more of a necessary partner. In Canada, the opposition to trade with China shifted from 80% in 2020 to 32% at the end of 2025.

If you're primed to not see anything positive about China, then even positive views around partnership could appear as pro-China propaganda. Also people in the Global South are much more aware of US and European atrocities so when you present China's atrocities as a counter to people's positive opinions, it looks unserious and hypocritical to them. If you see their hypocrisy callout as a propaganda method and you call it out as such, you lose all good faith credibility with them.

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PS: Along with this shift, comes the realization among some that a lot of what they thought about China came from corporate US interest via US-owned media that pushes a line useful for that interest. This has happened to me and multiple RL friends and family in Canada. The conversations on the last thanksgiving table have changed a lot since 2024. At present we're in the necessary partner camp.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 55 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There are a lot of people supportive of the PRC, both because the US Empire is declining and the PRC is positioned as an alternative to the US Empire's naked terrorism, and because Lemmy has a lot of communists. Lemmy has a lot of communists because the lead developers are communists, FOSS attracts communists, and because as Reddit bans communist communities they are often suggested to come here.

There's absolutely no credible evidence of CPC interference in Lemmy, this is a normal thing to happen to a FOSS alternative to Reddit.

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[-] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 51 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'm no fan of Tankies or the CCP, but I'm really not seeing any more pro-china propaganda than you see elsewhere, mostly excitement as a result of their green tech stuff or HSR (while ignoring why China has a need for HSR)

I am seeing a surprising amount of anti-china paranoia from the UK press right now that frankly seems like it's engineered by the US given its timing. Like articles about diplomats using burner phones as if that isn't standard (for all countries).

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 45 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You should go away and stop wildly fear mongering.

[-] Peehole@piefed.social 38 points 3 weeks ago

You have discovered .ml? Yeah the lead devs are tankies lol

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[-] infinitevalence@discuss.online 36 points 3 weeks ago

Plenty of Russian propaganda too. Every "conservative" community or server is essentially acting in Putin's favor.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Don't forget USAian propaganda. By far the most prevalent under that regime.

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[-] chloroken@lemmy.ml 36 points 3 weeks ago

Sinophobia will get you nowhere. Those "Chinese State Actors" on the Fediverse are largely Western crackers who read theory and oppose Imperialism. You shouldn't bogeyman an entire nation you don't know anything about, this is xenophobic and also works against the working class.

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[-] realitista@lemmus.org 31 points 3 weeks ago

You can safely assume that anything on .ml or lemmygrad is. Just don't subscribe to them. I can give you a block list that encompasses most of the ones who don't stay nicely in .ml land. We should have shareable block lists like BlueSky to get new users up and running quickly. I hope that PieFed eventually does some stuff like this.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 weeks ago

It's safe to assume that the enemy is promoting propaganda while our noble nation is promoting the truth!!! \s

[-] realitista@lemmus.org 14 points 3 weeks ago

The difference is that I don't get banned/censored on western instances for criticizing Trump or US military interventions.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 18 points 3 weeks ago

You don't get banned on hex, grad, or ml for it either, either. People should really check the mod logs a few times daily.

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[-] hamid@crazypeople.online 28 points 3 weeks ago

I think you are having delusions

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 27 points 3 weeks ago

leftists* are rampant on the fediverse

[-] KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

Not all leftists are supportive of China, anarchists certainly aren't.

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[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 27 points 3 weeks ago

Because the USA and Europe are shining beacons of truth and human rights.

[-] DSN9@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 weeks ago

What you’re describing is false moral equivalence used as a deflective propaganda strategy.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago

What you described is a state enemy used to deflect attention from the many enemies within this state.

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[-] rako@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 26 points 3 weeks ago

Capitalist propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. Most big instances -generalist, tech or something are wholly controlled by bourgeois people who would rather uphold state violence than democracy. What do you think?

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 weeks ago

What’s rampant is imperial core propaganda. You see the “Chinese propaganda” as “rampant” because you’re used to seeing only imperial core propaganda, which is how the internet looks on corporate media, including corporate social media.

Previously:

The first step is to understand the media, which Media Bias/Fact Check and the Ad Fontes Media* are never going to teach you. The only people who are taught it are those who get degrees in marketing, public relations, political science, history, and journalism; and even then only some of them.

The new post-Trump/“post-truth” media literacy curricula won’t teach it to you either, because it was paid for and crafted by the US military-industrial complex: New Media Literacy Standards Aim to Combat ‘Truth Decay’. This week, the RAND Corporation released a new set of media literacy standards designed to support schools in this task.

The standards are part of RAND’s ongoing project on “truth decay”: a phenomenon that RAND researchers describe as “the diminishing role that facts, data, and analysis play in our political and civic discourse.”

None of it is a secret, though, and it can be learned.


* I’ve criticized MBFC & Ad Fontes before:

[-] king_comrade@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

Gonna share any examples? Is the Chinese propaganda in the room with us?

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[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Change instance and block lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.

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[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 weeks ago

lemmy.ml is just like that, maybe you want to look for a new home instance.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago

On the topic, I've been seeing plenty of war-hawk think-tank accounts who only post propaganda, like:

They are clearly not involved in our communities.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Pretty sure these are all the same person. If you ever engage, you can recognize the same asshole attitude. I've seen multiple of them up/down vote comments where no one else has. Don't think they do that anymore cause it's too obvious.

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[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Your instance is the lead actor on that one

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 weeks ago

Do you have a shred of actual evidence for this? Or is it just the standard lib ad-hom of accusing those who disagree of being evil foreigners?

[-] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 19 points 3 weeks ago

your mom is rampant on this dick

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[-] murmelade@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 weeks ago

I love these posts, they're always a treasure trove of accounts to block.

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[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Leave .ml, ban instance. 90% fixed.

[-] thoro@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

Days in the fediverse comm without explicit anti-communism and red scare fearmongering: 0

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes, imperial propaganda is completely normal and overwhelming. It doesn't matter which empire. They're all working together under global capitalism.

But it's brainwashed sinophobia to blame only "China".

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[-] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 16 points 3 weeks ago

The lemmy developers are tankies and three big lemmy servers are entirely controlled by them, namely hexbear, lemmigrad and Lemmy.ml. You will find plenty of China, North Korea and for some kind of reason Russian propaganda on them.

!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

!tankiejerk@piefed.social

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[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors.

As one of the moderators of !memes@lemmy.ml i encourage OP to look at the sort of posts i make and tell me - do you really think i'm a "Chinese state actor"?

Do you think all these posts i make in, eg, !hoch@lemmy.ml and !goodnews@lemmy.ml and !badnews@lemmy.ml and !eleven@lemmy.ml... these are all part of a carefully-crafted cover, and I'm actually being paid by China to delete totally-not-racist posts depicting their president as a yellow cartoon bear?

And for this service, to maintain my cover, they also pay me to create memes like this and this and this and this and this and this (and defending that one against less informed nerds) and this and this and this (a small sample of my OC here)?

And do you think China paid for this understandable explanation of asymmetric cryptography using high-school level math, because someone asked, deep in a thread about a service which I'd also already debunked the snake-oil privacy claims of?

Really?

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[-] Auster@thebrainbin.org 14 points 3 weeks ago

I wouldn't say necessarily China controlled. Social engineering is great for making people replicate the engineering without noticing.

But indeed I notice a lot of posts that benefit China since I joined in some years back (thanks Spez), specially in news and country-specific communities.

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