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Make No Mistake: We Are in a Civil War (www.commondreams.org)

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[-] grumpusbumpus@lemmy.world 27 points 4 weeks ago

"Only extremists are pushing for conflict."

This is a disastrously ill-informed perspective. There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to rising fascism. There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to massive wealth inequality.

Stop scrolling and sit with these facts. Then stop rage-posting and start planning.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 weeks ago

OK, I don't think you're actually correct. It sounds cool though. It was not only German, Italy, Japan, and Spain that had rising fascism. There was famously a coup planned (The Business Plot) in the US. There were also large movements in France and England too.

This isn't to say that you shouldn't prepare. It's to say do that and vote. Voting takes so little effort that there's no excuse not to.

[-] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 weeks ago

Voting takes so little effort that there's no excuse not to.

What if you have two kids under your watch and work won't let you take off?

Voting in America is extremely difficult compared to other countries. Just saying "its so easy, just do it" overlooks the plethora of strategies the ruling class uses to disenfranchise voters.

Also, this is all assuming ICE isn't patrolling every polling station come midterms. At that point, I dont think anyone could honestly say "voting is easy"

[-] Switchy85@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 weeks ago

https://www.adp.com/spark/articles/2024/10/time-off-to-vote-8-facts-employers-should-know.aspx

28 states require employers to give, at least, some time during work hours to vote by law. Beyond that, many states have mail in voting of some kind, or early voting, or both. Obviously some states don't give you much for options, but it's worth a try.
Of course, the fact of the matter is, this may be the last time you have to try and save what's left of this country from diving into a fascist dictatorship. I'd say make the effort FOR your kids. Don't make excuses because of them.

[-] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 5 points 4 weeks ago

Normal answer is absentee voting, but that's part of the reason MAGA has been going after it so hard.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

i think you're focusing on the wrong word. it's the extremists that are pushing for the conflict, the sane are prepping.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

Well at least we got rid of Biden.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 65 points 4 weeks ago

Bidens why we're here dude.

If instead of insisting Biden be the candidate from 2023-2024, if we could have had a real primary, quite literally ALL of this could have been prevented.

[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 61 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

And if they hadn't put their thumb on the scale for Hillary in 2016, and she hadn't decided to reach for some imaginary middle razor thin between corporate liberals and fascists, Trump would just be another dumb clown that tried to be a Republican presidential candidate.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Ten years later and you’re still talking about Bernie losing the primary.

[-] ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca 45 points 4 weeks ago

I feel that, for a lot of folks, he was the last candidate that promised an actual brighter future to believe in. It's a shame corporate donors pushed him out of the race, as it left a lot of folks feeling that their voices would never be heard. I think it's even fair to say that his dismissal by the Democrat party directly led to the voter resentment that helped Trump win the elections.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah I get he lost and people are sad but the next step is to move on instead of letting what’s happening happen.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The DNC literally admitted to braking it own rules and cheating for Hillary in court.

Your bullshit here that Bernie couldn't win the primary so he wouldn't win the general is post-hoc rationalization of the DNC being an undemocratic institution and justifying their theft of the party.

Without addressing that theft, no primary in the world will fix this.

[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 weeks ago

The Democrat party sucks. But at this point it only matters to historians. Sure it's good to remember how America got into this mess but right now it's more important to figure out how to get out of it. I hope there's no more republican or Democrat party after this

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

First step is not putting your hope that the people who got you into this mess who have every reason to not try and get you out this mess, can and will fix it.

Part of the purpose of consequences is to stop the damage.

Obama's whole "Lets not look backward" schtick is what allowed every single person responsible for the Iraq war and 2008 financial crisis, and the 2010 foreclosure-fraud crisis to maintain their positions of power.

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[-] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 5 points 4 weeks ago

Ah, but we must move on from that as well. The important stuff to pay attention to will only begin in 2032. Nothing until then matters.

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[-] BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Absolutely did. A TON of Bernie bros would go on to vote for Trump, and Trump ran on a platform of "establishment bad," so having his opponent be the MOST establishment option, who just won their primary through interference by the establishment could not have been better. Not to mention that the Hillary campaign and DNC SUPPORTED Trump's run until he won the primary

[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 24 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

In a discussion about Democrats fucking up running against Trump? Yeah, that's what the adults are doing here, kiddo.

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[-] Mantzy81@aussie.zone 14 points 4 weeks ago

MAGA/Trump is still complaining about Obama, tan suits and Nobel Peace Prizes. Your point being?

[-] grumpusbumpus@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, because if we weren't captured by a single-party corporate system we wouldn't be in this mess. Reactionary fascism arises from the material immiseration of the people. If the Democrats were beholden to improving the lives of citizens rather than clinging to power and corporate interests, we would not be in this mess.

[-] aquovie@lemmy.cafe 15 points 4 weeks ago

Don't excuse these Nazi's actions by pointing at Biden. Biden didn't turn them into Nazis.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 weeks ago

But Biden's poor management of the Democrats let the Nazis take power.

Any asshole trying to be President over 70 is a problem.

[-] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

“It’s not the bad guys’ faults, it’s the fault of everyone else for not stopping the bad guys.”

You are an ass hat.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

Nothing about criticizing the one person who held the power to stop this all from happening, is an argument in support of the fascists

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

I’m pretty sure you’d all would have found a problem with whoever was chosen though.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago

Ok. So you are a cynic for whom no answer is going to be good enough.

Maybe just don't share any of your perspectives or opinions in the future then, considering the manner of your opinion did direct harm to our ability to stop Trump when we had the chance?

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

No I think I’ll continue thanks for the advice though!

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

So you don't disagree that your actions supported Trumps re-election, and you plan on continuing them?

You should focus on poop jokes.

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[-] whereIsTamara@lemmy.org 4 points 4 weeks ago

Well, I guess we showed those dems what they get. Too bad there won’t be another election. Gosh, wish we all knew that was coming.

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[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 weeks ago

Well then I hope you have a better follow through than last time.

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

the far left and the far right will themselves to their glorious climax

[-] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

What a stupid fucking thing to say in this post. Good job, I’m actually blown away.

[-] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

Are the far left in the room with us right now?

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