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[-] mikenurre@lemmy.world 329 points 3 weeks ago

Once these countries leave, they'll never go back. And then the rest of us get better alternatives to this enshitification model.

[-] Pechente@feddit.org 161 points 3 weeks ago

Seriously, enshitification is the only thing US companies do well these days. They just dig deeper moats around their walled gardens because they’re too greedy to make decent products that people actually want.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 87 points 3 weeks ago

Enshittification, AI slop and fascism are America's greatest exports. And that's not even a joke.

[-] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 40 points 3 weeks ago

I think enshitification is a product of public traded companies promising infinite growth, not necessarily a problem of US only companies.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

It's also a consequence of low taxes on capital gains and corporate profits.

When those taxes were higher it made more sense to reinvest the profits back into your own company. You'd build a reputation and a structure that would pay out you and your family for a hundred years.

Now the dream is to build up a company just enough to sell it to some megacorp and cash out asap, with you and your family living off of investment money that only increases over time.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

Once these countries leave, they’ll never go back.

Look up LiMux and the massive Microsoft deal that followed.

[-] Bababasti@feddit.org 30 points 3 weeks ago

That deal that totally had nothing to do with Microsoft relocating their headquarters closer to Munich

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[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No, please stop with this garbage misinformation. Microsoft made a (suspected) under the table deal with the Munich government at the time to setup a Microsoft office in Munich if they switched back to Windows.

That's what the news reported on endlessly. That's the narrative that keeps getting falsely repeated over and over, and no one ever checks the BS stories they spread.

The rest of the story didn't make headlines, where the new incoming Munich government said "hell no!" (prob in German) and continued the Linux rollout.

Today the environment is a mix of Linux and Windows, but they already have a large focus on FOSS software.

Despite the astonishingly stupid decision to roll their own in-house distro (LiMux), the program was massively successful, with Linux users filling only 40% the number of tickets the Windows users did.

Edit: I'm correcting something I said, they didn't "continue the Linux rollout" as they had already covered most of their systems. The current status is a mix of Windows and Linux, because they vetoed the rollback to Windows in 2020.

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[-] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 183 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Kind of funny considering that Visio is the name of another Microsoft product.

ETA: I'm not defending Microsoft's usage of the term 'Visio' here. The French use of that term makes a lot of sense, and Microsoft has an annoying tendency of using and copyrighting very common terms like 'Word' or 'SQL Server'. And France (or the French government) should be allowed to use it for their video conferencing software. I'm just smiling at the idea of some people opening Microsoft Visio by mistake and trying to figure out how to make a call through a diagramming app.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 75 points 3 weeks ago

Microslop can cry about it.

[-] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

I doubt they will care that much. But it will create a bit of confusion, at least for since in the short-term.

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago

And because of that confusion they will have a trademark complaint

[-] setsubyou@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

It’s also a French word that means video conference (as a shortened form of visioconférence).

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 18 points 3 weeks ago

Gosh, someone should tell the Microsoft teams team that Microsoft teams for business and Microsoft teams for personal and Microsoft teams for students are also using the same names and make communication difficult. They should get a copilot team on it

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[-] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 129 points 3 weeks ago

Now replace Windows with Linux, and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.

I don't understand why governments trust official matters in the hands of closed source software and suspicious hardware. Even China uses a special version of Windows 11 in public computers, this is nuts.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.

China has been working intensely for at least 2 decades to catch up, and they are still about a decade behind!

Netherlands has ASML which is a huge advantage for European independent manufacturing, but even with that it's an insanely expensive investment to make a realistic competitor to AMD, Intel, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Broadcom etc. because they have loads of patents that are hard to avoid, and they have decades of know how. This is not even accounting for the software infra structure that would have to be built almost from scratch.
Chip production is a global enterprise, and even USA isn't independent anymore. They depend on ASML and TSMC for their most popular products in AI, Smartphones, servers, laptops and desktops. And more and more Arm is taking over from Intel/AMD.

What we may be able to do would be using Arm and have TSMC help us with manufacturing. But to make such a project succeed is not an easy thing, we had European computer companies in the 70's and 80's that were heavily subsidized by governments that dominated home markets for several European countries, and they essentially all failed against international competition.
So what we risk if we were required to use a European product funded by EU/European governments would be to have to use an overpriced under-performing technology, that would be a millstone around the neck of all of Europe, making Europe not catch up, but instead fall further behind.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

they have loads of patents that are hard to avoid

China doesn't care about patents of outsiders.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 weeks ago

Seems to me that it’s time for the rest of the world to invalidate US IP and go from there.

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[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 64 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This is only a part of france's "LaSuite" (very original name guys), that seemingly will replace every equivalent american service.

https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/

They generally work pretty well (demo on the site) and are a mix of homegrown solutions and rebrands of existing projects like matrix. All of them are open source.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago

They should have called it "du coup" for that authentic frenchness.

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[-] artyom@piefed.social 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

And all their videos are on Peertube!

!lasuite@tube.numerique.gouv.fr

Unfortunately source code is still hosted on GitHub...

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[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 50 points 3 weeks ago

To be fair, I find the idea of a government outsourcing IT needs to entities under the sovereignty of foreign governments kind of fundamentally problematic to begin with.

[-] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 49 points 3 weeks ago

Good on them, but I Wonder why they can't just build on top of something open source like Nextcloud.

It already has the majority of the Office-365 suite

[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know on what it's based on, but it's open source and audited.

[-] ivn@jlai.lu 16 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Because the French government is hell bent on saving money, but they don't care about anyone's privacy at all. I wouldn't be surprised if they are building a privacy nightmare system here. Having said that, at least they are removing Microslop, and anything that could potentially hurt Microslop in any way, shape or form, is a good thing.

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[-] FE80@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago

Anything that kicks big tech's teeth in is good.

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[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 39 points 3 weeks ago

Anything to ANYTHING to get away from MicrSlop, Google etc. is huge. HUGE!

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[-] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago

Why do european tech companies need to call their products the same name as already established american products. Don't they google the names before they make the decision?

[-] bobby@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 weeks ago

tech companies

The French government is not a tech company.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 21 points 3 weeks ago

Visio is an outdated spreadsheet name, in English.

Visio is the new video conferencing software, in French.

France leads the world, it is up to everyone else to worry about conflict with France, not the other way around. /s

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[-] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 35 points 3 weeks ago

Nice, replace Microslop Windows too pls.

[-] ivn@jlai.lu 16 points 3 weeks ago

The gendarmerie has had its own Linux distribution for a while now but that's about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu

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[-] plz1@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago

Lol, replacing one o365 product with one named identically to another o365 product, classic.

[-] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 14 points 3 weeks ago

Came to comment this. I know there are only so many letters, and so many combinations of 4-8 of them, but can we quit naming new things with the name of an old thing?

Finding any details about France's Visio is going to be a cluster.

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[-] CactusEcho@piefed.social 34 points 3 weeks ago

Why not jitsi meet? Isn't better to use an already "established" opensource conferencing tool?

They could just selfhost their instance.

[-] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 39 points 3 weeks ago

They've been building an entire open source suite of software tailored to their needs. If I had to guess, Jitsi isn't performant enough for large (100+) user meetings in a way they can scale easily. It's a great tool, but it seems better geared towards smaller loads. Video conferencing at scale is a pretty big challenge.

Between this, their new Docs platform and some Matrix-based chat platforms, I think this is something they've put a fair bit of thought into how they want to build. Overall, it's a cool initiative, but I think it's pretty clear that it's open source as a means to be transparent as a government organization rather than to form a platform for broad use by everyone. They do have some self-hosting instructions on their GitHub though.

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[-] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Jitsi is owned by a Campbell, California based firm called 8x8. Source: I worked for them during the acquisition.

Though admittedly avoiding US origin open source is unlikely to be possible. The thing they are using seems to be based on another package with a similar issue.

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[-] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

I still don’t understand why half of the US still support a president that is doing a long term damage

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[-] artyom@piefed.social 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Looks like this is it, but it's called "Meet" here:

https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet

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[-] troed@fedia.io 25 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

That's great. I wish Visio/Vizio were not such common names for software and hardware. We done did those already. Do something else.

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[-] apftwb@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Visio and W....

They need to open up naming to public vote.

Cally McCallface

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[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

This "find out" phase is gonna go on for a long, long time.

[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 weeks ago

The "find out" will take forever. France just decided that a "sovereign server" can be AWS or any US big-tech providing the physical server is located in France.
France has also signed a contract with Microsoft ("sovereign" solution again) for the national health data hub, even as a parliament investigation had MS France GM stating MS can't guarantee the data won't leak to the US!
Most political leader are grossly ignorant on anything IT.

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[-] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

Beautiful. Trump is causing the US to lose its grip on the world in yet another way.

[-] tino@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Every 2-3 years, the French government announces that they released a brand new homemade app that will replace some bigtech because sovereignty or whatever bureaucratic bullshit communication they fancy at the moment. Then they issue a BIG contract to an IT consulting company to develop the thing, who get tons of money to send junior devs to release a buggy tool that no one will ever use because migrations cost a lot. This new app will die like the others.

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