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Sorry. What am I supposed to be doing?
Fly to Iran? Get killed or arrested?
Mentioning it? This site is surprisingly a ghost town when it comes to an actual revolution being repressed. Going to a protest near your politicians or calling/writing them.
Be the change you want to see in the world. Post news articles, make comments, make memes about the event itself, not making lemmy users the subject of your ire, the same people you wish to convince? Not the most efficient way to start the convo
They're not revolutionizing in the correct revolutionary way, which makes them bourgeoise agents of Western Imperialism.
What are you looking for, here? Posts of solidarity with the Iranian protests? Seems like you could have just made one. Be the change.
Simply pointing out how there's (rightfully!) all the righteous anger in the world when certain countries do evil, but a blatant massacre is going unremarked upon or excused because Iran is "anti-west". I was expecting more than apathetic shrugs here.
I’m seeing posts. I don’t know what you’re talking about. I have little respect for “where are all the posts?” posts. It’s complaining that everyone else isn’t doing it for you. Someone has to sit down and post those posts. Maybe for this, since you obviously care, it’s you. Instead you’re shitting on everyone else for not already having done it.
Well, I ain't, hence this post. Fun fact: I did actually sit down and post this post, as evidenced by us posting within this post. Sorry to drive you up the post by my posting, I shall send by post a post-it note reminding me to post more post-haste.
You may be unaware of the americans dying in the streets. Ice murdered a baby yesterday. Americans are occupied, mentally and otherwise
You'll also notice that palestine is still being genocided. It's the news cycle. It happens.
Yes, but you see, the US is on their side, which means they're the bad guys.
On the one hand, sure, the people there should watch out for the possibility that the US or similar tries to get a government satisfactory to them installed if the current one falls.
But on the other hand, it's not like there's any mechanism, in a revolution, to collectively declare "you're not allowed to support us" and have it stick. So if all it takes for a revolution to be illegitimate is the US to declare itself in favor, then the US has the power to delegitimize any revolution it wishes without recourse, which doesn't make much sense.
My personal problem with this is that we're not talking about ANY country but specifically about the current US admin which has recently, shitting on all international rules, declared itself to be above international law and kidnapped an foreign leader (yes, he was dictator, but for international laws to be valuable they must treat EVERYONE equal... not only the ones deemed worthy by the biggest bully in the yard). Since this isn't the first wave of protests but the first one to, apparently, get inhumanely bloody in this magnitude one obvious key factor differing this one from the previous ones is the openly hostile and antidemocratic US admin taking power one year ago.
Taking this factors into consideration it seems highly questionable weather these protests will lead to an overall better situation for the Iranian people... and this outcome would be the only one justifying the blood shed.
People don't want to repeat their mistake of blindly cheering revolutions just for them to turn into even worse dictatorships afterwards... like it happened in many countries after Arabian spring. Hence the skepticism and caution in my eyes is more a sign of an ability to learn from past mistakes... especially since this time a foreign nation isn't ,,secondarily involved" but repeatedly made actual threats to destabilize the nation in question and is actively threatening with war, not for the people but to fill its own pockets and demonstrate its power.
Its funny since lots of revolutions only really succeeded due to another state actor involved. Imagine being against the Haitian revolution because you think its just some psyop by the Americans to harm the French
edit: To clarify I don't know if the Haitians NEEDED the US, but the US did help
Its funny since lots of revolutions only really succeeded due to another state actor involved.
Everyone give it up for America's favorite fighting Frenchman!
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The Hatian revolution didn't really succeed either. Dessalines basically just re-enslaved everyone but they all started to slowly starve because nobody would trade with them after the rampage.
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Because their oppressors are in opposition to the United States, alot of so called revolutionaries on Lemmy have sided with the oppressors. Many Leftist on this site express more solidarity with "the enemy of my enemy" than they do with workers internationally and they'll happily abandon the Iranian people rather then risk a new Iranian government that's less hostile to the West.
Remember folks, even the unproven allegation that Mossad paid off someone in those protests means that you have ideological cover to oppose the whole thing. Peak tankie logic .
By all means, inform us of all you are doing to help so we can also support things.
Otherwise you're just trying to feel morally superior
I like how you conflate three very different groups of users together and smear half of them as something they're not.
I'm not sure what youre looking for here, validation? Fanfare? Anger?
Good for them. They died fighting for what they believed in and history will remember them kindly. Should we all be so lucky.
Yeah it's hard for me to do anything from my couch in Nova Scotia.
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From what I've read it sounds like they're attempting a bourgeois revolution. Historically, it doesn't bode well for the working class there, and eventually even for the revolutionaries themselves. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.
I don't particularly care for the Iranian government (they support Palestine and are anti-imperialist, but they have some really shitty policies at home). That said, the most likely outcome if the revolutionaries succeed is the US installing a puppet fascist government, most likely reinstating the Shah. It can get so much worse from here, just look at Syria.
"Some shitty policies" is an astonishing euphemism for a government just murdered 10k+ protesters and is actively using rape, murder, and maiming as weapons to terrorize its people into compliance.
I agree it's fucked up what Khamenei is doing. Even before the protests the government had some awful policies when it came to human rights of the Iranian people. The protestors have every right to be angry and fuck shit up.
But judging by their slogans, a lot of them are aligning themselves with their fundamental enemies - imperialists whose sanctions have led the country to its current economic state.
Unless a revolution is staunchly anti-imperialist, it is bound to be co-opted by the US to set up a puppet government and extract as much labor & resources as they can muster, by any means necessary. Remember that the last time the Shah came to power, the protests were founded in real issues and grievances of the population, and look at the outcome. Look at the outcome for Syria or almost any Arab Spring country. I guess for many Iranians getting US to support them seems like the only way to win, in which case it's a real catch-22. Maybe it will turn out that this iteration of the monarchist government will be slightly better than the clerical one, but looking at the state of US right now it's unlikely.
I am heartbroken about this whole thing, because those people are clearly fighting for a better future for themselves, and they're getting slaughtered for it. But it is likely that their sacrifice will be for nothing.
The current regime has been enforcing a gender apartheid system for over 45 years. I reserve the same hatred for these fuckers like I do for Netanyahu and Trump.
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I'll take things that never happened for 10 bucks.
Because its a Mossad/CIA operation and part of a campaign of a several decade long regime change attempt by israel.
PS: trump is Netanyahu's bitch
No shit Sherlock, every revolution in history has been supported by a regime's enemies. The French supported the Americans, the Germans smuggled Lenin into Russia, Soviets supported Mao, etc etc.
Braindead way to handwave away rape, murder, and maiming as state policy to terrorize and suppress their population.
I guess we can't all be as smart as you.
Yeah man, it's all the Mossad, actual Iranians are totally happy and totally support their very friendly government. They are totally not writing songs about how they are going to tear government officials limb from limb.
Not saying they are totally happy. But this is because of 20+ years of economic and financial sanctions by Europe and the USA for the crime of supporting Palestine.
Sanctions have become even more extreme after Trump pulled out of JCPOA in 2018 and applied 'maximum pressure" sanctions package.
I am impressed with how Iranians have protested en mass. It puts western so called democracies to Shame. But you have to be real that Israel doesn't care about democracy. It wants.Iran to be broken up unto a dozen statelets that it can bomb at will like Syria.
This is scheming by the US Empire.
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Most of you here are against personal firearm ownership, make fun of the constant US school shootings, yet expect revolutions to be won against the State with only rocks and cleverly written signs.
I'm confused, are you saying that constant school shootings are a necessary evil? Don't you think think personal firearm ownership is possible without schools getting shot up constantly? Apologies if I misconstrued your point but that's what I understood
I tagged them as a Nazi apologist for this comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/21335416
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Most is a strong work considering the number of people in the "Under No Pretext" crowd.
Almost as if the lemmites "communist, socialist, anarchist" population are fascist authoritarians hiding behind a mask, posing for online clout.
There's not really a lot of actual socialists here. Tankies and accelerationists far as the eye can see, but surprisingly few socialists.
I thought the contingency here of leftists and liberals was pretty high?
Leftists yeah, liberals it depends on the instance. The difference between those terms means a lot more here than on reddit. Plenty would argue successfully that liberals aren't left at all but then we're getting into anti capitalist theory which isn't very practical in a capitalist society. But most lemmy communists seem to be of the Soviet and Chinese variety, so you know, not really communist at all but definitely anti capitalist authoritarian.
Piefed and world are overwhelming liberal.
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"ICE officers roam the streets and kill innocent civilians but 3%er, patriot front, nra and proud boys are silent"
The "Everything America supports" is bad virus, many such cases. I think Foucoult wrote a bunch of papers in support of the Iran regime when they got rid of the Western backed government (Not to say I support that government). Did not age well..
I'm not denying anything, except the neutrality of HRAI. It looks, in my view, as a CIA front. Also, they report 10000 detained people, but it's not like you would care about it.
If you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If you're an ML, everything looks like the CIA
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Ah, it's "just" 2,600 human lives cut short for protesting against authoritarianism and we'll over 10,000 more imprisoned with the regime pledging to execute them. Not that you care about it as those three magic letters clearly justify anything to you.
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Leftists all arounds the world are known to be radical Islam sympathisers just because they are anti-west. It’s the hard truth and I am going to get downvoted to hell for saying this.
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