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[-] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think people are in some denial downvoting this. It's a pretty hard take, but accurate. The real progressives in the Democratic Party (Sanders, AOC, etc.) are definitely not establishment Democratic members, remember how Sanders was railroaded out of any chance to run as President?

The USA needs a third party, and the Democratic party needs a real fumigating.

EDIT: Did Biden really increase ICE funding? (Or at least allow it)

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Prior to Trump's second term Biden increased ICE funding to their highest levels and accelerated the building of ICE detention centers across the country.

[-] yakko@feddit.uk 12 points 1 month ago

I think there's valuable nuance in noting exceptions to the rule about Dems, but also, the parties are systemically entrenched and the insiders certainly collude on behalf of the status quo.

[-] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

"I agree. People are in denial."

"Edit: did this really happen?"

LOL

[-] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

I was being lazy, I admit -- something I could have looked up myself ;)

[-] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

There you have it, the reason we're in this fucking mess.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

So since AOC and Sanders will NEVER get into a position of power, we're just fucked right?

There is no way out of this except war. Voting doesn't work.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

That's not what "just as" means

[-] dandelion 8 points 1 month ago

yeah, Democrats are complicit in plenty of ways, but not just as complicit 🙄

I can't tell if the hyperbole is just because the culture is so right wing and the assumption is that they need to shock liberals out of their stupor, but tbh I don't think liberals even like the Democrats that much, there is plenty of hate and frustration with the Dems coming from liberals these days ... at least that's my experience

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 7 points 1 month ago

Ive noticed a general tendency, which exists to a pretty large degree in every place and group to be fair- but which I've noticed even more than usual on lemmy, to treat everything as if it exists on a moral binary. Like there's only good things and bad things, and all bad things are equally bad things with no room for "X is bad and Y is worse than X, therefore X is better than Y despite both being bad", and if something is opposed to a bad thing it must be good regardless of whatever else it involves, or conversely, if something apparently opposed to a bad thing is also worthy of criticism, then it must not truly be opposed and is only pretending because they're both on the side of bad things. I'm sure there's a word for this kind of thinking, but I'm too sleepy at the moment to recall or look into it.

[-] dandelion 1 points 1 month ago

maybe black and white thinking describes what you are talking about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)

[-] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago

Hell even if you wrongly believe Obama and Biden where only using these systems for "right" Liberals seem to completely lack a material understanding of what these systems can do when expanded like that.

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 month ago

Obama expanded drone strikes. He used them for wrong, did it for years, and got a fucking Nobel Peace Prize for it. Fuck that guy.

[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago

Technically got the Nobel Peace Prize before all that, which makes it all the Dumber.

[-] TrippingBalls@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Over 2k drone strikes and they wonder why all the hate for America

[-] Kaz@lemmy.org 6 points 1 month ago

Trips me out that people think he's a peaceful president, I think he still has the record for the most bombs dropped during his presidency...

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 5 points 1 month ago

There's also not a lot of willingness to roll things back whenever the Republicans lose power for a time. Like, for the sake of argument, lets say Trump and his allies fail to sufficiently gerrymander or rig or cancel or just win the next couple of elections, and manage to lose control of both congress and the presidency. Does anyone really expect all those new ICE agents they hired to be suddenly fired, rather than just continue to do what they're doing without as much media attention driving public ire against them once the president isnt going on rants about deporting people all the time?

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 month ago

Biden wrote the Crime Bill. He said “super predators”.

[-] athatet@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

And if that doesn’t describe the current guy to a tee.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 month ago

we don't need to stop it we can change it! - - dems

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Both parties are owned by Israel and the same Zionist oligarchs so until this FACT changes nothing else will

this post was submitted on 09 Jan 2026
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