Do Novelists Need to Worry About AI? (In which I rant for entirely too long about Yudkowsky and his ilk.) (www.reddit.com)

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TL;DR:

I rant a bunch about how the silly eschatology of Yudkowsky and his cult have been hijacked by monopolistic corporate goons to push generative AI. Figured y'all might be interested.

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[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 2 years ago

Good rant, seems not controversial or weird at all.

(And lol, because I also go 'sigh, okay this is going to sound weird as fuck' when I talk to people outside of here about this LWsphere stuff. I do sometimes call sneerclub a hategroup but just out of the 'here is the steelman handout for the LW people' impulse, and a reminded to myself that while I don't think it is one now, it could very easily turn into one, esp if we were to start brigading. I have a solution on how to fix all that, but sadly I cannot fit that all in the margin of this comment).

[-] JohnBierce@awful.systems 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thank you!

I actually have some thoughts about that topic as well- could be an interesting thread! (I personally think that we are, at least to a small extent, similar dynamic-wise to the cult survivor networks that help their friends and family escape the cult they themselves escaped- after all, a huge number of us are former Rationalists or, like myself, narrowly escaped their gravitational pull. Kinda puts a weird twist on our relationship to the Rationalists. Doesn't make us immune from transitioning from "unkind critics" to something worse, especially if we were to start brigading or something else awful, but I think has some valuable social lessons for the group?)

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 0 points 2 years ago

I didn't actually have that much thoughts sorry, I was making a fermats last theorem joke.

And im not sure how much the mods want to change it into a support group. I thankfully never could really fall into the Rationalists as I live in The Netherlands, it did give me brainrot on certain subjects, enough for people to start mentioning that I sometimes defend weird things, and that was one of the many things which got me into becoming a little bit more critical of the movement. (that and well, reading and interacting with slatestarcodex reddit people, at least I got out before they created themotte). There are also enough people here (or at least there were on reddit not sure if they jumped over) who were onto the Rationalists from the start due to badphil stuff.

So, guess I do have thoughts. It should probably be both here, a sort of support network and a 'lol ow god, get over highschool' place. Bit like how reddit was. And on reddit even after we got more and more people following, the amount of brigading going on was pretty low.

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 2 years ago

And im not sure how much the mods want to change it into a support group.

i mean, not really? while i don't want to be needlessly cruel to recent leavers, and we can and have helped, that's not why sneerclub exists. that said, there's nowhere else, so they're gonna end up here anyway. so i guess don't be unfairly cruel. just fairly cruel.

[-] self@awful.systems 0 points 2 years ago

I have a solution on how to fix all that, but sadly I cannot fit that all in the margin of this comment

definitely feel free to start at thread in the instance meta sub to discuss if you don’t mind making the idea public, or DM myself or David on here if you’d prefer to keep it private

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 2 years ago

Sorry it was a Fermats Last Theorem joke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem I don't have any real ideas, it is just a thing I worry about (but without proof, esp as right now this place is tiny as F and I have not seen anybody do anything bad (imho), stuff like punching down or excessive stalking (while punching down)).

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