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[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 213 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Funny, on release day, I got downvoted for pointing out they pulled a Blizzard/Overwatch 2.

Half-baked release with missing content and no new content? Check.

Release removes previous release, a game that was at one time a paid game? Check.

I feel like Valve gets way too much of a pass here on this for just being Valve.

[-] nyctre@lemmy.world 114 points 11 months ago

Because it's nowhere near the same. Is it a bad release? Yes. Is it overwatch2 bad? No, not even close.

For the example: even tho it's true that CSGO used to be a paid game, it had been free for 5 years and before that it was 15$, not 40 or however much was ow.

Cs2 comes with a whole new engine which changes a bunch of things, unlike ow2 which is just an upgraded version of the same stuff; same errors, same stuff, basically.

OW2 also made everything in the game more expensive to buy. Etc.

[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

For the example: even tho it’s true that CSGO used to be a paid game, it had been free for 5 years and before that it was 15$, not 40 or however much was ow.

I think you're missing the point. It doesn't matter what the price point was. People paid for these games. The game going "free" isn't a valid justification for being like "its okay this product you paid for is being taken from you."

Would you feel the same about any other product in your life? Why is it justified when that something you paid for being taken from you is "a game."

Cs2 comes with a whole new engine which changes a bunch of things

Yeah, a lot less content than CS:GO and no new content. Seems like they could have let it bake longer before release.

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 19 points 11 months ago

So at what point (in your opinion) does it become okay to discontinue a paid game? Are they supposed to still be running servers for games from 1997, so the 2 people who still remember it can occasionally log into the dead matchmaking service for nostalgia? Obviously this is a ridiculous example, but if your answer isn't "Yes, they should", then that means there's a point somewhere between that and now when it's okay to shut down the service, so where is that line?

[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They could have just left it in people's libraries with the option of people using community servers, something that a lot of gaming companies have traditionally done. They give the server software to the players, who then spin up community servers and keep the game going. There was literally nothing stopping them from just leaving a game that no longer functions in the Steam library.

You can still buy Titanfall on Steam and have it in your library and last I checked, multiplayer for that game hasn't worked in years. EA isn't pulling it from people's libraries because of that.

[-] sane@feddit.de 29 points 11 months ago

That is literally what they've done. The default is CS2, but you can select a beta version in steam which enables CS:GO again. Matchmaking servers are all migrated to CS2, ofcourse, but community servers still work.

The reason they replaced CS:GO with CS2 instead of creating a seperate game is to not split the playerbase. Back when CS:Source released, the playerbase was essentially split in half, with many choosing to remain on CS 1.6, and it took a lot of effort to make CS:GO the standard.

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[-] Maven@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Companies don't need to run servers for old games nobody plays but it is a crime against art and the people who worked on and enjoyed any of that material. All of the wonderful content made specifically for these games is just dead now while the company could've just released a way to self host the game. There is NO reason any game ever should die and any excuse otherwise is just feeding into the pockets of companies that want to kill history.

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[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 27 points 11 months ago

Is it a bad release?

Uh is it? It literally has the 2nd highest concurrent players of any game on steam ever. it made what, 40mil in a few hours. Sure some old players are a little mad, but that is literally unavoidable, and I don't think they are dropping the game, just complaining.

[-] nyctre@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

There's a difference between bad and unsuccessful. It's still a good game because despite all the people complaining about all the lost shit, most of it wasn't being used that much anyway. Plus, unlike OW2, cs2 will get back all the stuff lost back and then some. So yeah, it's gonna be fine.

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[-] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 34 points 11 months ago

CS:GO is still there btw, under the beta options

[-] aplomBomb@midwest.social 13 points 11 months ago

I've been having a ball with CS2, and I think releasing at it as a separate game to CSGO would only fragment the player base.

[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sure, but a fragmented player base impacts Valve's bottom line more than anything else, so I don't understand why this is an argument.

Oh no! A few thousand players will stay on the old game while the new one will still absolutely dominate the charts because people like new and novel.

Genuinely, who would that deeply affect outside of Valve trying to make sure the player base is all on the current game to make the most money? Why are we defending business practices that are clearly aimed at making the most profit at the expense of customer service?

Weren't we all supposed to be Valve fans because we expect better of them?

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[-] rotopenguin@infosec.pub 167 points 11 months ago

It's a shame that Valve couldn't get Steam to issue them a new AppID, so they had to delete CSGO in order to put CS2 on the store. It was the only way.

[-] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 60 points 11 months ago

If only valve had any power over what happens in steam... oh well...

[-] koko@ani.social 37 points 11 months ago

no, cs2 was always made to be update over csgo

Just read the offical blog post, it's not a different game, but huge update over it

[-] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago

I even remember them saying that they will update CS:GO with source engine 2... Which they literally did.

People got mad because it got a new name too for beta testing. "CS:GO 2"

[-] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 17 points 11 months ago

What? Oh no why deleting the old game

I bought CSGO in 2015 and never had the chance to actually install it, do I get some extra content in cs2 or everything is lost?

[-] loutr@sh.itjust.works 37 points 11 months ago

why deleting the old game

Because it's a multiplayer game and they don't want to split the userbase.

[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

And why is that anyones problem but Valve's?

Who else is hurt by having it split?

It doesn't hurt the players to have it split, so it feels like you are defending anti-consumer business practices just because its Valve.

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Wait… what the fuck? Who cones up with those shitty ideas?

How about you make a game good enough that people switch from the older one willingly instead of forcing it down their throats?

[-] HATEFISH@midwest.social 17 points 11 months ago

they were never going to be able to release a totally new game without a lot of backlash from the ~~addict~~ skin trading communities. They wouldn't want to risk their free income from the whales by splitting the player base and eventually shunning the skin investors stuck on the old game.

[-] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 14 points 11 months ago

You make older games better by updating them. This is an update.

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[-] ChronosWing@lemmy.zip 10 points 11 months ago

Because it was just an engine swap, not a new game.

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[-] neoney@lemmy.neoney.dev 42 points 11 months ago

Hm, it’s playable for me

[-] Spinny@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

Same for me on fedora

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[-] acmon@lemmy.one 33 points 11 months ago

Played hours on CS2 yesterday... ran perfectly fine on my Arch installation... haven't experienced these issues...

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[-] joucker29@lemmy.ml 33 points 11 months ago

Ong why did they not just keep csgo on steam and release cs2 beside it or wait until cs2 is atleast playable on linux

[-] Veticia@lemmy.ml 33 points 11 months ago

To keep thousands of now irrelevant reviews, allow themselves to remonetize content and jumpstart a player base that now has no other choice but to switch.

[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

Tbf they're KEEPING ALL cosmetics unlike fucking overwatch

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[-] schnokobaer@feddit.de 22 points 11 months ago

CSGO is still in CS2's beta channel on Steam as csgo_demo_viewer or something like that, but obviously limited to community servers/offline play, no official dedicated servers.

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[-] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Why do I feel like giving this a month will make all of this irrelevant?

but this is a crime against God, humanity, gaming and anime!!!!

I get it, your favorite game doesn't work because of a new release. It happens. Take a ticket and sit down for a while. Valve isn't omniscient about every Linux build in existence or possible glitch on the first week of release.

Hell, TF2 has been broken on arch for almost a month without bypassing a .dll file.

[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago

I remember when games launched and generally could be expected to run, because easy patching wasn't a thing yet. They had to make sure that the games worked.

I don't like that this has moved to "well, it's just the first day, week, month, give them time to fix the game." No! When the game releases and people pay money for it, it should work!

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[-] DrDominate@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Why is everybody so upset at the CS2 update. It was my impression that besides a few new maps and menu updates that the primary change was the implementation of the source 2 engine. From what I've seen it doesn't appear to be that much different than the original CSGO I paid for back in the day. Or am I missing something?

[-] simple@lemm.ee 27 points 11 months ago

It's just that it has less content than CSGO did in its late life. Some maps and game modes are missing, and some people with low-end computers are upset that they're getting poor frames.

[-] erev@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

I could manage 40-80 frames on CS:GO on my lil thinkpad. Trying CS2, I'm getting 10-30 frames. That'd be fine if it stayed closer to the top end of the spectrum, but it stutters so much that I can hardly play whatsoever. That combined with the millions of small changes they made that I have to get used to makes it a really unfun experience. Which is sad because CS:GO is one of my comfort games

[-] MintyAnt@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

CS:GO is one of my comfort games

comfort games

CS:GO

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[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 18 points 11 months ago

I'm out of the loop, can somebody explain ?

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

The long awaited game Counter Strike 2 launched as an update to the old game Counter Strike: GO. Effectively deleting CS:GO from existence. Except that CS2 doesn't work on every computer CS:GO used to work on. Meaning (at least for now) lots of people have lost access to their favorite game.

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[-] olutukko@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Welp you can just use no steam servers. And hope they are not full of hackers. And you cant play it officially competetive

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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 months ago

I didn't realize that they replaced cs:go with cs2 until I was home and noticed an update to install cs2.... if it was an independent launch, that would not happen.

The only CS game I've played somewhat recently is cs:go, so I put two and two together (ha, pun), and groaned.

I thought valve was better than this.

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[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Arms race is gone. Back to TF2 I guess?

[-] Pozitigor@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

On my Slackware64 system cs2 runs the same as cs:go or xonotic used to run

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