As an American, this is totally understandable. There are many here who have similar feelings of betrayal.
Sorry guys. I think this is the series finale.
I think the world could excuse the US for the first Trump infection. There are a lot of flukes that happened that ended up in Trump's favour, plus the years of the right villainizing Clinton, a gaggle of stupid boomers being fed Russian Facebook memes. It was a perfect storm of shit.
Putting him in place a second time is inexcusable.
I was mad the first time. This time I'm finding myself cheering louder when I hear about something going wrong in the states.
I know this was the Russian plan - to bring the US down from the inside. I know Russia wants to see a US civil war. But I think they underestimated how long that would take and how the rest of the world is getting really sick of the US's shit.
Take Canada. The US has been attacking it and trying to hurt it but we're coming out looking like the good guys and we're making other great deals left and right. It's a few roadbumps instead of a sink hole.
I'm looking forward to watching the US slowly crumble.
I just don't want my kids dying in a war.
Not sure what the odds on that are looking like right now.
I'm sure Kalshi can help with that.
This fn timeline. Ugh...
After the final game, where does the home team go? And do the visitors -the opposition- just stay in town?
I think after the last episode, the stars get to make appearances at comi-con, but all the other actors just move to other shows.
Well. Informative. And wild.
This definitely isnt my scene...
Why should we trust a country that imposed fake currency to all the world?
Currency based on farts and promises
Actually, the US dollar is backed by vast and stunning violence, so, maybe jot that down.
/me gets on with some jotting
Uh... ALL currency is "fake". No exceptions.
Except gold and silver.
You can make a fucking morning Star with them and start acquiring real assets with it using force and violence.
You can't make a weapon with a bunch of paper money.
Lol you had me in the first half, amazing goldbug bait.
I have to say I find your theory of violence-backed currency quite compelling.
I am just rediscovering what our ancestors knew millennia ago
Yeah, you go ahead and believe that gold and silver are "real currency".
But by your standard? Iron is a fuck load more valuable as a currency.
See how your idiocy is getting exposed? Wanna quit now while you're ahead or do you want to go full metal idiot?
You are right, I should add metal lumps to my iron mace instead but it wouldn't be as shiny.
But it's a good idea! Whatever bludgeoning weapon works
lmfao to anyone who put trust in tis shit hole to begin with
We never should have in the first place
Yeah, I 've definitely been noticing a lack of comprehension by Americans about this. They think the default state of the world is with them as they were, and it will naturally return to that again once all this temporary difficulty is done. Nope. It was the result of a unique moment in history followed by constant maintenance. It's gone.
I can't say never because that's quite a long time to make guarantees but I imagine it would take at least a couple generations for the international trust in the US to return to comparable levels.
2017-2020 could have been a blip on the timeline. 2021 we had some progress but the US leadership was practically asleep at the wheel in terms of dealing with the open preparation of fascist takeover in 2025. Now in 2025 the largest military force in the world, its highest internal court, both its governing houses, the various departments that were supposed to serve the public interest are all led by a gaggle of self-serving clowns. And the country's commander-in-chief can barely remember what they said a minute ago and has trouble staying awake in public meetings.
So I think with a major reversal of fortunes and a program to de-Nazify itself at a scale unseen since WWII, the world could take the US seriously again after 2028 at the earliest. The trust will take a lot longer to come back.
There would literally have to be many thousands of executions for this country to be trustworthy again. Anything short of that will result in the exact same shit happening again in 3 years.
yeah I'm not actually trusting the US until there are clear signs that this shit is not to be tolerated, and it's been that way for over a decade
anything less will just get a pat on the head and a half assed "good job kiddo, you're doing great" while I turn back to pay attention to worthwhile things
That's exactly how I felt about the US after 2001.
Fair. Let's just say that nobody alive now, nor the offspring of any of those, will trust the USA. It will be at least the third generation before the USA stands a chance of being trusted by anybody who is not suffering from genuine brain damage.
Even if the democrats return to power they would have to clearly demonstrate a commitment to the old values. Not just words, actual actions would be required.
lol democrats returning to power is just more of the same. that's not gonna do it.
Yeah, the Biden administration was their last chance to turn this around and they blew it hard. Done now.
Best I can see coming out of a Democratic win would be another temporary pause in America's decline. I don't think they can recover without a complete shattering of their system so that it can perhaps be rebuilt or replaced.
So, an impossibly then. Their donors/sponsors/puppeteers are the same as the Republicans'.
Yeah that's the issue really. A lot of Americans seem to think that I'd the Republicans loose the next election / they do badly at the primarys (assuming there is one, I have my doubts) everything will go back to normal. It won't.
I suppose a 3rd party might rise to power due to public distrust of the big two.
I think Zohran Mamdani has a good chance of starting this.
That's exactly why the Democratic party never embraced him from the beginning; he's not playing by their rules, and he's not paid by their masters. I think that he and others like him have a very real chance of starting third political party in this country because it's not just that people are fed up with the Republicans or the people are fed up with the Democrats is that people are fed up with the complete ineptitude of both parties to get anything used for meaningful done.
In the case of the Republicans they play like there's some bad guy and they're fighting for their followers and pinning the blame on immigrants or trans people or blacks or whoever is convenient that year.
In the case of the Democrats they talk a good game but they never get anything done because if they actually solved something it would piss off the people giving the money. So like before when they had full control of house in Congress they didn't do shit. And then to keep from being voted out or to get voted back in they'll say hey at least we're not Republican.
I don't see the difference anymore because functionally they're doing the same thing, the Democrats are just quieter about it.
This has taught me that America is only a loyal ally as long as your interests line up, the second they waver you are worthless to them.
We will never forget.
The USA should never have been trusted in the first place. The mask is dropping now, but they have ALWAYS been supporters of dictatorships, fascists, and genocide. They have been an oligarchy from the start, it was baked in to their constitution. Anyone believing their propaganda that they were a democracy or ever gave a shit about democracy is a weak minded fool. Money and guns are their only gods, they are incinerating the entire planet for profit, and have been LONG before the felonious pedophile conman currently in office.
The only reason the US ever gained "trust" was because their late joining of WW2 allowed their industry ramp-up (remember the US was selling equipment to both sides until Pearl Harbor, to the point where when Allied forces landed in continental Europe and began pushing into Nazi occupied territories, they noticed how parts for their trucks etc. were all compatible, in an age where cars had no standardisation even within a manufacturer), and the war playing out away from their homeland allowed for said industrial uplift to remain untouched.
Meanwhile Europe was ravaged by the wars - remember the primary reason for Hitler's rise was the overly aggressive Versailles Treaty that put considerable financial drain on the Central Powers (Hungary being split up was obviously a larger thing, but Germany also lost territories and had to pay restitutions), which limited the economic recovery of the countries, resulting in poor working and living conditions that people blamed on the newly formed democratic government - which in turn allowed Hitler to gain support using the usual far right demagogue, populist crap that is gaining traction today.
All that meant that Europe, while it had the manpower, lacked the available resources and ways to utilise them, and heavily depended on the Marshall Plan, which made the western European countries dependent on the US, making the latter appear as a reliable friend.
And for the Eastern European countries... The US continued a constant propaganda of "helping countries under Soviet rule fight for independence" (see Radio Free Europe) - and somehow managed to maintain the position of being a helpful friend after willfully ignoring the 1956 Hungarian freedom fight for which the US promised military help, then promptly ignored because a more lucrative opportunity in the shape of the Suez crisis, surfaced at the same time.
So yeah it's high time for Europe to realise just how fickle the US is as a partner. They've been literally the cause of every single major market crash in the past 50 years, allowing their internal financial clusterfuckup to spiral out and affect other countries even worse, taking absolutely no responsibility for it while reaping all the benefits... They've also pretty much caused all major wars in the past 50 years as a way to justify maintaining and increasing their "defense" spending (the one honest thing Trump has done in his second term was renaming the DoD to Department of War), forcing their subpar, overpriced military crapquipment on their "allies" and even demanding said allies to join unjustified wars through any means necessary...
No, fuck the US, it's time for Europe to wake up and be truly independent of their crap. The failed attempt at "freedom" failed enough by now. Let them collapse, let them burn, and maybe they'll rebuild something that actually resembles a country from the ashes.
Love the directness of the commentary “ we will never fucking trust you again”.!
I wish Australian politicians would wake up and dump the stupid AUKUS deal: spend $300 billion and ‘hope’ the americans will honour their word. Really a snowballs chance in hell they will honour their word or contracts.
LibLab are shit and cannot be counted on anything but the worst choice.
Yes, the US is awful, but it should not be underestimated. The power the US has over traditional allies and others is still massive, and everyone else suffers from the challenge of having to solve the coordination problem if they want to collectively oppose them. The US knows this and constantly works to defeat any attempts to coordinate. Also, the US government primarily represents collections of oligarchic powers and supranational corporate and financial powers that also have huge influence in the countries that could try to coordinate against them. So, their power is not just via the tools of the state itself, but also the supranational powers that control the state. Pretty hard to stop, and the US is still basically getting what it wants, even after all of the insanity and ugly corrupt bs of Trump.
It's not. It's allies have started divesting. They continue to cooperate because it's the path of lest resistance, but every day the move away from the US.
Well, go ahead and underestimate them if you want then.
Started to type a reply but then realised you wouldn’t understand / believe anything said because it didn’t come from faux news. So decided i was wasting my time and deleted my whole response.
lol, first time I've ever been accused of watching Fox News! People are buying into the idea that the US isn't so powerful and that allies are succeeding in pulling away because it's comforting, not because it's true. US power runs deeper than most would like to recognize. It's a dark and tragic reality.
just more metcan exceptionalism. Effectively saying “ we’re the toughest so cave in and give us what we want “
This is simply material reality. I hate the US government but part of why I hate it is because it has its fucking tendrils all over the globe, because it throws its weight around and doesn't hesitate to use force against anyone who stands in its way. We spend more on the military than the next 9 countries combined. Countless free and democratic governments have made the mistake of underestimating the ruthlessness, militarism, and subversive capabilities of the empire. You can throw a dart at a map and chances are the US has engaged in fuckery there.
For example, in 1975, Australian PM Gough Whitlam uncovered secret CIA plots being carried out in Australia, and threatened to close the installation at Pine Gap. This led to a constitutional crisis as, wouldn't you know it, an old, outdated law happened to give an unlected official the power to dismiss the PM. An unelected official who happened to have ties to the CIA.
Does the Australian government even have the capacity to close Pine Gap? It's kind of an open question. There's no telling what kinds of tricks and contingencies American spies might have in place, should Australia step out of line.
Frankly, I see any country with a US military base as a de facto vassal state until proven otherwise. By all means, prove otherwise.
Might wanna put down the propaganda bro.
The US knows this and constantly works to defeat any attempts to coordinate.
Or, it did, until Trump gutted the State Department and drove out anyone anywhere near government who cared about good outcomes. There's surely still some of this going on because of pure inertia, but it will not continue going forward.
Also, the US government primarily represents collections of oligarchic powers and supranational corporate and financial powers that also have huge influence in the countries that could try to coordinate against them.
Yes, but they can still do that stuff without needing to be tied to the US geographically or governmentally. They're still tied to the US because it is a stable growth medium right now (stable currency / decent government if you're rich / etc) and makes an easy home base from which to interact with a lot of different countries, but literally all of that is coming to an end. Once things are more stable and profitable if they uproot and live somewhere else, because the US has terminal rot and has become a liability for them, they're going to move to Europe like a bunch of Russian oligarchs and do everything you just said on behalf of someone else instead.
Thank god. Hopefully that means the rest of the world won’t get dragged into the next gulf war and the US won’t join the next Vietnam.
Now, when does this get applied to the US ally that isn’t changing its mind (Israel)?
The US and Israel are functionally the same state. The oligarchs in both countries want the same things and 95% of US politicians support Israel as if it were the 51st state.
Read the article, it's fantastic and spot on! Read the comments there. Some crystalline clarity. Even better!! Thank you for this link. And yeah.. my state's Senator, Jeanne Shaheen is fearless. She's not gonna mince words about Trump right now.
A good read, if a little sparse and overly casual. What strikes me most was the "Thank god, somebody had to tell them" quip.
There must have been a thousand conversations between counterparts at all levels of government, business and military who have been over to the other's house after work for beer and conversation and dropped that nugget of truth, let alone the countless op-eds, you tube videos, reddit posts and of course lemmy and the fediverse.
They know. Everybody knows.
The fact that Jeane Shaheen said what she did, speaks loudly to the fact that there is ZERO trust of the Trump Administration even within the US itself. Democrats v. Republicans aside. For the most part, the politicians DO get along while they are working.. this is what is not understood by the public.. so for any Senator to not deny a hard, ugly truth about what is hapening inside the Beltway is an indicator of just how bad an Administration really is. It's a hold onto your beer, the water's gonna be rough for a while moment. My hope is that younger Americans will vote in actual progressives as the older politicians leave. We don't need idiots that think Autocracy is okay as long as it makes us look 'tough'..
Fantastic article - thanks for sharing
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