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Matt Gurney: 'We will never fucking trust you again'
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Yes, the US is awful, but it should not be underestimated. The power the US has over traditional allies and others is still massive, and everyone else suffers from the challenge of having to solve the coordination problem if they want to collectively oppose them. The US knows this and constantly works to defeat any attempts to coordinate. Also, the US government primarily represents collections of oligarchic powers and supranational corporate and financial powers that also have huge influence in the countries that could try to coordinate against them. So, their power is not just via the tools of the state itself, but also the supranational powers that control the state. Pretty hard to stop, and the US is still basically getting what it wants, even after all of the insanity and ugly corrupt bs of Trump.
It's not. It's allies have started divesting. They continue to cooperate because it's the path of lest resistance, but every day the move away from the US.
Well, go ahead and underestimate them if you want then.
Started to type a reply but then realised you wouldn’t understand / believe anything said because it didn’t come from faux news. So decided i was wasting my time and deleted my whole response.
lol, first time I've ever been accused of watching Fox News! People are buying into the idea that the US isn't so powerful and that allies are succeeding in pulling away because it's comforting, not because it's true. US power runs deeper than most would like to recognize. It's a dark and tragic reality.
just more metcan exceptionalism. Effectively saying “ we’re the toughest so cave in and give us what we want “
This is simply material reality. I hate the US government but part of why I hate it is because it has its fucking tendrils all over the globe, because it throws its weight around and doesn't hesitate to use force against anyone who stands in its way. We spend more on the military than the next 9 countries combined. Countless free and democratic governments have made the mistake of underestimating the ruthlessness, militarism, and subversive capabilities of the empire. You can throw a dart at a map and chances are the US has engaged in fuckery there.
For example, in 1975, Australian PM Gough Whitlam uncovered secret CIA plots being carried out in Australia, and threatened to close the installation at Pine Gap. This led to a constitutional crisis as, wouldn't you know it, an old, outdated law happened to give an unlected official the power to dismiss the PM. An unelected official who happened to have ties to the CIA.
Does the Australian government even have the capacity to close Pine Gap? It's kind of an open question. There's no telling what kinds of tricks and contingencies American spies might have in place, should Australia step out of line.
Frankly, I see any country with a US military base as a de facto vassal state until proven otherwise. By all means, prove otherwise.
Might wanna put down the propaganda bro.
Or, it did, until Trump gutted the State Department and drove out anyone anywhere near government who cared about good outcomes. There's surely still some of this going on because of pure inertia, but it will not continue going forward.
Yes, but they can still do that stuff without needing to be tied to the US geographically or governmentally. They're still tied to the US because it is a stable growth medium right now (stable currency / decent government if you're rich / etc) and makes an easy home base from which to interact with a lot of different countries, but literally all of that is coming to an end. Once things are more stable and profitable if they uproot and live somewhere else, because the US has terminal rot and has become a liability for them, they're going to move to Europe like a bunch of Russian oligarchs and do everything you just said on behalf of someone else instead.